Synopsis: Richard Alpert faces a difficult choice.
Written by: Melinda Hsu Taylor & Greggory Nations.
Directed by: Tucker Gates.
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March 24th, 2010 at 2:05 am
so the destruction of the statue was because the ship !!!!
I lost my faith in lost ….
March 24th, 2010 at 2:07 am
I'm in awe.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:08 am
Absolutely FANTASTIC episode; probably my favorite one this season. I loved how they kept the story in the past for most of the episode. At the beginning I was very skeptical about them trying to pull the “Hell” story over us again (like Locke's father season 3), but the back-story for Richard was so amazing and I think they pulled if off perfectly. The last scene with Hurley the translator was fantastic, as were all the snippets with Jacob (who seemed a lot more human when he was beating up Richard) and the Man in Black. 10/10, I hope the rest of the episodes match up.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:09 am
whats going on???
March 24th, 2010 at 2:10 am
It was such an amazing episode. The directing, the acting, and the story all came together in one magnificent orchestra. This is by far my favorite episode this season.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:11 am
Till tonight i was the biggest fan of Lost.After this…statue gets into pieces when BR crashes on it…Hurley translating to Richard what his dead wife says…etc etc i dont know but i dont like where this is going considering that there are only a few episodes left.It seems that they reached a point where they had to write down the final season and they had no idea how to connect everything right and give plausible explanations
March 24th, 2010 at 2:11 am
What an epic episode. Felt like a feature film.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:12 am
wow, I need to watch that again.
loved it so much. to be honest, it almost felt like I was watching a movie for most of the episode…
and omg, I love Richard so much XD
March 24th, 2010 at 2:14 am
I thought Damon and Carlton debunked the 'everyone on the island is dead' myth a long time ago.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:19 am
I loved the episode but it moved sooo slowly for the first half. But the thing is that the main question of the whole show is now answered. which is why they are there. which is to keep the evil entity (the man in black) on the island and away from the rest of the world. So all we got left in the show to answer is how it ends. Its between bad locke getting out or the remaining people fighting him off. I think it will just end in one big epic battle or something like that.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:20 am
They did. The MIB was using it as a metaphor, but when he first arrived, RA thought he was being literal.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:26 am
No, this is how it's all been planned from the beginning. Your just seeing it all come into play.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:28 am
MIB was using it to convince him that Jacob was the Devil, since Richard strongly believed in Heaven and Hell. It was all manipulation to get him to kill Jacob. Though, Richard still believes they're all dead and that the Island really is Hell, though we now know it is the metaphorical “cork” that holds the evil int he world from escaping and manipulating peoples minds, as we've seen with Claire.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:28 am
And Richard still believes it, apparently.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:29 am
haha you think they're all dead?? Did you watch the whole episode?
March 24th, 2010 at 2:30 am
Top ten episodes EVER, greatest mythological episode EVER. Great all-around performances, and great-writing and great-directing.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:30 am
There was also a freaking Tidal Wave carrying it.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:30 am
Liked it. A satisfying portrayal of Richard and his character as well as more about the purpose of the island. Not convinced that Jacob is the good guy and MIB is the bad guy, though. Holding out to the series finale to be sure of that.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:32 am
No, I don't think they're all dead, which is why I was confused when Richard STILL believed they were in Hell.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:32 am
water power is ridiculously strong
March 24th, 2010 at 2:39 am
Best of the season idd. Magical dialogs between MiB and Jacob. Still not 100% if you ask me who is the bad guy who tries to manupulate others and who is the good guy.
Also an element of “the game” they play is revealed. After Jacob dodging the asssination MiB has set up for him by manipulating Richard he returns him a piece of white rock. This probably means something like a counter or maybe MiB is now in the weak position of being attacked by Jacob. Like now it is jacob's turn to “play”;
March 24th, 2010 at 2:42 am
How about you ask New Orleans or indonesia
March 24th, 2010 at 2:43 am
Now that Jacob is dead, he thinks the Devil rules the island which would make it hell
March 24th, 2010 at 2:53 am
The fact that I am reading some negatve responses about this episode is crazy!! This by far is in the top 10 episodes of the entire series. Great explanation of Richard's back story and wonderful performances by all the actors. I love how we see the original actor portray the MIB. I love Terry O'quinn but the original MIB actor is simply pure evil. The “Hell” reference was a pure metaphor and anyone taking it literally is nuts. Can we assume the Isabella in the Black Rock was the MIB? My thinking is that he used this to gain Richard's trust so that Richard would kill Jacob. The Devil comes as you're friend, right? Anyways, this episode has set the bar, hopefully the rest of the season can be equally as good.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:53 am
I think richard only believes it because he lost faith in Jacob. He is back on track now. His job was to shepard candidates? I may need some further explanation of what exactly his job was. How could Richard say he didn't know about candidates if this was his job all along?
March 24th, 2010 at 2:55 am
Nothing less than EPIC!
March 24th, 2010 at 2:59 am
This was so amazing
March 24th, 2010 at 3:00 am
I think it's more like when Desmond tells Jack “We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe!” Does he really believe it? No. He's just so frustrated (and yes, drunk) that he snaps.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:01 am
Wow what a great episode. Nestor had a great performance the whole way through. His whole experience was an amazing ride leading to the perfect scene between Isabella and Hurley. It was also good to see the old MIB actor squaring off with Jacob again.
One thing that does bother me though is the Blackrock's arrival on the island. At the start of season five we saw it just off the coast of the island in calm seas and clear skies. Everyone on board would clearly have already seen the island and the statue. However, this time when we see the Blackrock approach the island it appears to be night time and amidst a great storm. Richard's slave companion sees the island for apparently the first time and remarks “I see the devil, the island is guarded by the devil.” I'm sceptical that anything this obvious could be an error but I don't see any satisfying ways of explaining it.
I'm wondering if we will find out what happened to Richard & co. in the flash-sideways timeline. Last we saw he was protecting Ellie from the bomb. “I'm protecting our leader…. she's going to be angry when she wakes up but that's a lot better than being dead.” To save her life it would be a logical conclusion that he would need to get her off the island somehow before it sunk. I'm hoping that he made it off the island too and that he will play a hand in the events to come in the sideways, whatever they may be.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:04 am
Wow, That was like a movie! Great episode, I love Ricard. And the power play between MIB and Jacob is intense.
I finally get what his show is really about. Preventing the end of the world by MIB! But what/who is he? Why is he so evil?
March 24th, 2010 at 3:10 am
the person that said the episode was lame needs “Michael to shot them in the mouth”lol but come on it the final season we must start wrapping so duh they give use big clues so silly come on.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:15 am
LOVED IT!
March 24th, 2010 at 3:15 am
Left me well and truly speechless. I'm glad they reverted back to flashbacks to give us those answers. Definitely top 5 of best episodes ever.
Nestor Carbonell was outstanding
March 24th, 2010 at 3:17 am
Richard DEFINITELY thought they were dead in his first sequence tonight…he wasn't using a metaphor. For the first time in years, he believed MIB had been right all along.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:19 am
richard took it literally, so is he nuts??????
March 24th, 2010 at 3:21 am
mib is good, you'll all see.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:27 am
I'm very surprised how many people liked this episode. Or more specifically, I am very surprised at how MUCH people liked this episode. Perhaps I need to watch it again but I thought it was mediocre at best. Paced like a snail, awkward dialogue, silly answer to the statue destruction. And for the record, I only considered that a mystery because of the way the writers presented it to us, as well, mysterious. I therefore assumed there was something behind it, something more than: a 19th century wooden ship smashed into it. Lame. Anyway, yes we got lots of answers to more important things but they were poorly executed and some of them are leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I'm getting worried I might not like the answers I've wanted for so long. For one I've always subscribed to the idea, that yes, this show is crazy, but there's a reasonable explanation for all of it. Season 5 reaffirmed this idea for me with all the time travel stuff i.e. Locke could not have died from his 8-story fall because he had to go back to the island so he could travel back in time because he was on the island in 1954 and talked to Richard, and so on. Now all this supernatural stuff is being introduce, especially the whole Hurley talking to ghosts. I don't like it.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:28 am
I was looking forward to learning all about Richard, but now that i've seen this ep, i dont think they needed an entire episode to show everything.
I would have rather learned where the dynamite came from…because it obviously wasnt on board when the ship crashed. So how did Richard know it was there?
March 24th, 2010 at 3:35 am
It's possible, but unlikely, that the ship that Jacob and the Man in Black saw was not the Black Rock.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:37 am
In The Incident, Jacob and the MIB are watching the Black Rock sail to the Island. The weather, is perfect. Yet in Ab Aeterno there's a giant storm, and the prisoners THEN see the Island. What was up with that?
March 24th, 2010 at 3:40 am
One thing i thought was interesting… The words MiB says to Richard regarding how to kill Jacob are basically the same words Dogen says to Sayid about killing MiB…
[same knife too?]
What does that mean?
Are MiB and Jacob similar and nature?
Will we see white smoke? lol
March 24th, 2010 at 3:41 am
…you're joking about wishing death upon people who didn't like a TV episode? Huh?
March 24th, 2010 at 3:46 am
Overall, a great episode. Some parts felt off for me until I realized that I had already imagined an epic flashback for Richard and that a real episode couldn't live up to my imagined one. But I thought it got a lot better towards the end so I ended up feeling good about it.
Some thoughts:
The Ilana flashback at the beginning kinda put me off but upon reflection it wasn't too bad.
The whole setup reminded me of “Flashes Before Your Eyes” with Desmond in Season 3.
I think the Man in Black used Richard's faith to decieve him; Jacob isn't the Devil (the MIB may be but I doubt it) but his nemesis used the idea to manipulate Richard.
Again with the kill-him-before-he-says-a-word theme. That has to mean something, after Sayid.
Did anyone see that half filled wine container as a optimism/pessimism metaphor? I also thought I saw it in the seaside cave as well, earlier in the season.
Those final moments – “Sooner than you think” – were awesome, making the Jacob/Nemesis battle truly epic.
Finally, Richard's back-and-forth manipulations between the two powers represent the survivors (and the Others) struggles as they are pushed to kill either Jacob or the MIB. It's no longer as simple as just telling someone the other is the Devil (it takes a time-twisting plot of epic proportions) but the theme remains the same.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:56 am
Jacob brought many to the island before the Black Rock. That wasn't it.
March 24th, 2010 at 4:01 am
Well, it isn't SO imposible.
But when Jacob and MIB were watching the ship in season 5 finale it was a precious day.
And it didn't seem so far away…
Besides this, probably best episode ever
March 24th, 2010 at 4:21 am
baam!
now someone can re-edit all 6 seasons of lost chronologically… this episode is by far the best possible beginning for it.
you can show this episode to everyone who hates lost and who say it doesnt make sense… and when theyre finished watching they will at least say 'thanks, that was a great episode. it was well structured, written and performed and high above standard television quality'
March 24th, 2010 at 4:21 am
Jacob said that there had been “many other” ships that had arrived to the island, so not only is it likely, but because the ship in “The Incident” arrived during the day to calm waters, it was DEFINATELY not the Black Rock.
March 24th, 2010 at 4:23 am
Hurley has always talked to “ghosts”, so that's not new.
If the statue had a weak point and the boat smashed into it at that point, it could have created an even greater weakness. The force of the tidal wave could have then carried on with the rest of the break. It's also a plausible way of showing how the boat landed on land rather than just having been beached.
I also don't see the problem with J & the MIB seeing the boat when it was a nice day. Think about the crash of 815, nothing should have gone wrong, but the events of Desmond's day changed things for them. There could have been something crazy to change the weather out there.
March 24th, 2010 at 4:32 am
Very very very good point! Excellent episode! You can't name a single episode of another TV show that is currently running that compares to this.
March 24th, 2010 at 4:35 am
Ah, good point. I guess in those times the only way to bring people to the island was to attract ships. The Blackrock must have been one of many, I shouldn't have assumed they were the same ship.
March 24th, 2010 at 4:41 am
For sure it wasnt. this seemed like the first time MIB tried to kill jacob, hints his semi-surprised emotion at the end and jacob asking MIB why he tried to do that. Season 5 finale jacob already knew how bad MIB wanted to kill him. Thus the ship seen in season 5 was after the blackroc.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:38 am
Tonight's episode made me totally change my stand on the motives of Jacob and the MiB. They're both responsible for death and deception, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Jacob was the evil one. With all the bible references, what better way to portray “a wolf in sheep's clothing”. I mean, bringing hundreds and thousands of people to an island, and messing with theirs heads, all to prove someone wrong? doesn't sound like a guy who has humanity's best interest at heart. But who knows anymore.
I agree with some of you, though, that the statue scene was pretty cheesy. However, Richards back story was incredible. We've seen him in the past, and he's always seemed so cold, and impersonal; Tonight we saw he's a real person, with emotion, who's been on an amazing journey. loved it!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:50 am
It couldn't have been after the BR because the statue was destroyed
March 24th, 2010 at 6:08 am
Why aren't more people talking about Nestor Carbonell's FANTASTIC performance? I never knew he would ever, EVER be able to pull something of this magnitude off. He was unreal, just as good as some of the performances by O'Quinn and Emerson in my opinion…
March 24th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Does any one else see the parallels which can be drawn from the Island to the hatch. The island in itself is a hatch, because just as the hatch was designed to do it kept in an energy, an energy which could destroy the end of the world. I wonder if that would be Jacob's purpose for the hatch, to test candidates and see who could succeed in keeping this energy trapped.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:36 am
I really liked the end when the MIB smashed the bottle. That was just epic. I really wanna know how the MIB gonna “smash” the “bottle”.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:43 am
So if the island is the “cork” why turn the wheel and move it?
March 24th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Yes, think you are right. I am still convinced the island is a fictional place where a mind story goes on … like a big chess game or backgammon. The flash-sideways are the real world because they continue the life-stories of the characters from the beginning before the crash.
And everything between (island + return etc.) is just a mindgame between two people. I expect a big twist at the end like in “The 6th sense”-movie. Everybody can entertain himself by setting up those adventure-stories in his own fantasy. The solution might be surprising but simple and a huge mixture of almost everything what humans think about for ancient times …. science vs. religion and faith. But it is excellent how the writers brought it to screen.
We will see. Better we enjoy the show till the finale and do not analyse all the time. ;o)
March 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am
So Widmore wouldn't find the island. Maybe. But well, he did.
March 24th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
The most “epic” episode of Lost to date!!! I loved the bottle of wine Jacob used to illustrate how the “MIB” could go loose if he was set free. Hurley translating for Richard was such a great scene as well. The ending where Richard was calling out to “MIB” and he never came was excellent!!! I guess MIB isn't so loyal after all! TEAM JACOB!!! lol
And Bravo to Nestor Carbonell – terrific acting!
March 24th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Well, it's needless to say that: a) this show was one of the best (if not the best) I've ever seen in LOST. b) Nestor Carbonell was absolutely breath-taking! c) Everyone who was sceptical about this episode should now realize: LOST was and is the best drama series that has ever been on TV.
Now concerning this episode: Even though it answered some of the questions it raised some new ones. However, what I thought became absolutely clear now is the following: Jacob is the good guy, MIB is the bad one. Of course, Jacob seems to have “trapped” the man in black, to have “stolen” his body. This of course justifies seeing Jacob as problematic character too. However, Jacob seems to believe, Jacob seems to WANT to see the good things in human beings, he is trying not to look at all the things that happened on the mainland but he's trying to have the people on the island act in a humane way, in order to prove there IS good in man.
The man in Black, however, is clearly NOT the believer. He only sees corruption in man. he despises humanity, he has no respect for them, he kills whoever he wants to kill, we saw again in this episode: Smoky sees some people on a ship and kills them. Jacob got physical too, however, that was a defence. Jacob is NOT a killer. I still think it's absolutely clear white stands for good, black for evil.
Now the question about MIB leaving the island. I think this is the finale revelation- What happens when he leaves the island? What IS the island? I basically think it can be seen as a Pandora's box. MIB is the think that mus be kept in the bottle. The final scene made this quite clear. Jacob hands MIB the bottle, the symbol for the island, he is the wine. MIB wants to smash the island and to be free.
I could imagine that this might mean the end of humanity. Imagine Smoky to be free, to wander the earth. Exactly BECAUSE he dooes not have any respeect fopr human beings and BECAUSE he kills at will without hesitation this would be as if the devil would wander the earth. Remember: Richard's wife said if MIB leaves the island we're all in hell. I can't understand anyone still thinking the MIB is good and Jacob evil. Dogen said MIB is evil incarnate. All things point to the same thing. MIB = evil.
One tiny thing: Did I got that right, the captains name was Hanso? Like the Hanso foundation? Or was that just low quality and they said something different?
One more comment in the general episode. I have to say I'm more fascinated that I would have imagined. Still last week I thought this is going to be it. When they don't bring something really great in this episode LOST is going to lose some of its fascination. However, now, after this episode, I have to say: Bl..dy amazing! Oh my God!!! Honestly, I could have never imagined Richard being so sad in a scene. It was heart-breaking how his wife said they were always going to be together lying in bed, then how she died and Richard cried, next the scene with Hurley. That was so incredibly heart-breaking! I cried my eyes out! Honestly if I had to name an episode of LOST which would be the best one ever, I think 99% sure that it would be this one. There is just so much emotion in this episode, I've amost never seen that in LOST before. Two weeks ago I still thought Ben's talking to Illana was one of the greatest moments in LOST ever! Now I'm really looking forward to the finale. If they do continue to rock like in this episode then the finale must be the greatest finale ever in the history of TV!!!
March 24th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Completely agree….well said.
Question: In the Season 5 finale, we see the Black Rock (right?) calmly sailing toward the island, but last night we saw the Black Rock smash the statue comin' in HOT. Whats the deal with that? You think that scene in Season 5 was a Flash Sideways?
You definitely caught that name correct. Magnus Hanso…as in…. Great Grandfather of Alvar Hanso, founder of the Hanso Foundation, and the Dharma Initiative.
I would also like that state that one of my earliest theories, The Island is the Garden of Eden, appears to REALLY have been fueled last night. The island is a place where man's fallibility is tested, to determine, without influence from God (Jacob), that they are good or bad. The Smoke Monster is the snake….constantly tempting Adam and Eve to succumb to temptation, but Jacob wants them to choose good/life “without his help”. This theory was no doubt fueled by the CONSTANT shots of the Tree of Life last night (which, I think we saw right before Eko was killed).
A+ Episode…..feeling GREAT about the rest of this series, and already think this is the best show ever in television history.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I still think that when you turn the wheel, you don't move the island….you sink it. WATCH AGAIN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz18Eo_q2-Y
Why sink it? To hide it
March 24th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
About the ship in the S5 finale, it could be another ship OR its like in Season 4 when they start of from the freighter by night and landed on the island in the middle of a day. So maybe there ist some time delay or somethig.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
MIB left one person alive from the Black Rock. The one person filled with guilt and self loathing. That one survivor was Richard. The Smoke has always scanned the island inhabitants for these weaknesses. When the Smoke scanned Eko and found him unrepentant he killed him because Eko could not be manipulated. Isabella was clearly the Smoke appearing to Richard in order to make Richard believe that Jacob had abducted her. It was the MIB's way of trying to get Richard to kill Jacob for him. Fantastic episode, tremendous acting but for me the purpose of he Island is a disappointment.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Uhhhhhh…..mayyyybe…..but I don't think so. It's not like we witnessed the (2nd) helicopter crash at night, then it landed fine during the day…..which is essentially what we saw with the Black Rock. It LOOKED like it was gonna crash, then amazing pilot Lapidus pulled it off. Is there more to that scene that we don't know? Mayyyybe…..which is why i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
But, I think it's more feasible that the end of Season 5 beach scene was a “Flash Sideways” version of the Black Rock crash. It was another iteration of the story we've seen, a different “cycle of time”, and Jacob and MIB discuss if it will “end the same” or if there will be “progress” in this iteration. Again….just a guess……but I found that inconsistency actually intriguing.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Didn't see this…..but I pose the same question above. I'm going with the theory that The Incident scene was a “Flash Sideways” version of what we saw last night. Another iteration of the story, and Jacob and MIB discuss if it will “end the same” or if there will be “progress”.
I think this is a KEY question though.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
I think the scene in The Incident was a “Flash Sideways” version of what we saw last night. You guys really think there is another random ship that they've yet to introduce to the show!?!? Uh, i just don't. I think that was another iteration of time (like the Flash Sideways) and Jacob and MIB are discussing if it will all “end the same” or if there will “be progress” in this iteration.
Sure, it's possible it's another ship…..but I don't really see the relevance……..or WHY.
March 24th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
It couldn't have been after the black rock, the statue was intact in season 5
March 24th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Well it was not necessarily the Black Rock we saw in the Season 5 finale. Jacob in this weeks episode said that he brought many to the islands, presumably over hundreds if not thousands of years! And if it was indeed the Black rock we saw, then maybe it was drawn away from the island at first and only during the night it came closer to the island. However, I don't think the LOST writers would simply change a thing like that. Normally everything they do has a reason.
You're theory if the garden of eden is interssting. However, what do you make of Jacob's comments then? Why did he say the island is the door that keeps whatever is inside in there. And a questions about that: Is it actually sure that the content of the “bottle” (island) that mus not leave is MIB? could it be that something completely different is meant? Some power source that must stay in place?
March 24th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Amazing episode. The best part: No “Flash Sideways”. I'm glad they focussed on Richard's history and didn't waste 25 minutes showing something stupid like him working as a janitor in the hospital that Jack works at in Los Angeles.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
I guess everybody who has said that is right. It isn't necessarily the Black
Rock in Season 5…..I just figured it HAD to be the Black Rock…i
mean….c'mahhhhhhhn. But, yes, we saw Multiple 747's land on the island, so
it's clearly feasible that multiple ships did too in the 1860s……But,
deep down i'm gonna keep speculating that was the Black Rock in a different
iteration of time.
Yeah, I definitely think the island will end up being the Garden of Eden, or
in some way represent it. Think about it…. The serpent (The Smoke
Monster….who has looked a LOT like a serpent recently) is constantly
tempting Adam and Eve, trying to get them to defy the will of God. The
serpent, believes that man is inherently evil (Original Sin) and that they
will always succumb to temptation, and in the case of Adam and Eve….they
do. Jacob, however, believes that man is capable of embodying good without
his persuasion. Another prediction: Jack is definitely taking Jacob's place
and/or killing Locke/MIB.
What do I make of Jacob's comments then…..I mean, I guess I pretty much
take them at face value. For reasons we don't really know yet….MIB can't
leave until Jacob is dead. Why? Not sure. Is it possible that there is
something ELSE that Jacob doesn't want to leave the island? Yeah….why not?
But, I think the Smoke Monster is without a doubt the greatest force of evil
we've seen so far, and I would imagine he doesn't want him unleashed on the
rest of the earth. But, I think you're totally justified in questioning
Jacob's real motivation. How does that relate to the Garden of Eden? I'm
not really sure….but I'm gonna read up on the Serpent's relationship to
the Garden of Eden.
March 24th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
It's interesting to know if the MIB will still be the smoke when he leaves the island or if he is going to be a normal person “again”.
March 24th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I thought this was one of the best episodes of Lost this season (I have a feeling I will be saying that each week!!) Lester Carbonell did an amazing job. Having almost the entire episode be on big flashback was a good choice it allowed the view to get more into the story. For those of you who think the island is hell that's doesn't seem to be the case. That's why Jacob was shoving Richard in the water to prove he was still living so he couldn't be in hell. What the island is exactly still remains a mystery. The scene at the end with Hurley, Richard and Richard's wife were so good!! I love what they are doing with Hurley's character this season!!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Finally a “traditional” LOST episode (no flash sideways!). I liked this episode the best thus far this season and think Nestor did a great job. It was great storyline change and gave some answers about the battle/fight between Jacob and the MIB. I liked the change with not giving the audience the inside scoop on who Hurley was talking to at the beginning. It was a great episode!
March 25th, 2010 at 3:01 am
I don't think that there's any special significance behind stabbing MiB/Jacob before they say a word. I think that specific method is encouraged because both the MiB and Jacob (targets for assassination) are extremely persuasive and manipulative figures on the island. Dogen and the MiB probably just said to stab the person before they speak so that they wouldn't have a chance to talk Sayiid/Richard out of it.
March 26th, 2010 at 3:13 am
One thing i just noticed… After Richard is shipwrecked and in chains on the Black Rock, Isabella comes to him. We are assuming that she is just the Man in Black. But while they are talking, we hear the smoke monster sounds outside. Can the smoke monster be a person and smoke at the same time, or is there something else going on?
March 26th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
You're right! Could it be Jacob trying to manipulate Ricardo? So far, the MIB always told the truth…
April 3rd, 2010 at 1:20 am
Surely it had to be the Black Rock approaching the island at the beginning of the season 5. It's the only ship they have named throughout the series and it would seem normal to make that conclusion. So when the ship crashed into the statue in 1867 in the storm it was a continuity issue with the people who make the show. I actually though earlier in season 5 when Miles, Jin, Juliet, Sawyer, Faraday and Charlotte were skipping through time, when they finally stopped moving it was 1977 and the statue was intact. Did it get rebuilt or has my memory deserted me.
Thoughts please…
November 18th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
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