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I think Dan was wrong. Not that they cannot change the future because truth be told, any of us can change our future. We can chose to turn right instead of left and save our own life unknowingly. But, not all of us are transported to the past and therefore that decision has ramifications on the course of our lives on a whole. Dan was wrong that the Losties weren’t supposed to come back to the island. Yes they were. In fact, they had to come back in order to save Ben and set off the bomb, creating the *incident* which lead to the quarantine of the hatch, the button pushing and so forth. If the Losties had not have returned none of that could have happened and there is where their fate could have been changed. Yes, my head is going in circles too.
1. Looks like the old Locke is completely gone. The boars of the island aren’t safe with him around. This scene reminded me of the good old days on the beach were Locke went around killing stuff for them to eat.
2. I’m glad that Locke’s compass can still find North, according to Richard, because they *always* go North.
3. I believe Locke. If he gives Sun his word that he will help get Jin and the others back I think that he will. And, did you notice that he called the Losties “our people?” Maybe he thinks he leads them all now.
4. Jack and his insatiable need to fix things. Why does he have to fix it? Why does he have to try and change the course of the future/past? Doesn’t look like our Jack has changed one little bit. And, he convinces Ellie to go along with it (in her hopes of changing the fact that she shot her own son).
5. Was it just me, or the scene where the guy brings in the manifest and starts telling Radzinsky about who was on the sub remind you of when Hurley brings the manifest to Jack and points out that Ethan wasn’t on it? Ethan probably had to split because he knew there was no way he could explain what was really going on.
6. Tell the truth, how many of you out there could name the president in 1977 when Pierre asked Hurley? I was just a little girl then so I didn’t know off hand. But this was one terrific scene with Hurley and Pierre and had me laughing out loud.
7. So we answered the question of how Richard knew when to come and help Locke but now we don’t know how Locke knew when to send Richard there.
8. Radzinsky trades Sawyer a map to the Hostiles for a ride on the sub. First off, Sawyer doesn’t know where they are as he hasn’t seen their camp. Second, I can’t wait for next week to see exactly where he did draw the map to. Knowing Sawyer, it’s going to be good in a funny way (funny to the audience I mean). Plus, Sawyer promised to kill Phil so he has some revenge to take when they get back off of that sub (which we know they do from watching the previews).
9. Kate says that she can’t go with Jack in the water and into the tunnels this time. Why? Kate is always up for adventure and always wants to come along so why not this time? Was she thinking of Sawyer or can she not go around the hydrogen bomb? This is very much not like the Kate who used to steal guns and sneak around if necessary to be a part of the action.
10. Tell me when Kate became the moral majority? She thinks that blowing up hydrogen bombs and killing children is so wrong but this is the same woman who robs banks and blows up step dads. Typical, people think that if they do something for the greater good it’s ok but when someone else does it suddenly it becomes a moral issue.
11. When the Freighter people showed up on the island remember that they thought that Dan and Charlotte went to the hatch to detonate a bomb? They said that the bomb would kill everyone on the island? Sound like a bomb that we know about (Jughead)? Dan turns out to be stopping the bomb from going off but if he didn’t show up would the bomb have exploded? It seems too coincidental these two events then and now but not sure yet how they play into the story unfolding.
12. Red flowers! These have been around forever in this show.
13. Any guesses how the get the bomb moved? Richard says by the same way they brought it in. Hm…. I don’t think teleportation is an option. Maybe the same way the pyramids were built. The little cart it’s on seems kind of rickety. Plus, it’s been sitting there for 20 years rotting.
14. “We’re not alone here and we all know it!” Oh wait, wrong season.
15. Oh boy. Locke wanted to kill the Hatch because he didn’t believe that pushing the button saved the world. Well, we know how that turned out for him and he admitted he was wrong. Now Locke thinks that upsetting the apple cart again by *exposing* Jacob is a good idea, that killing him will somehow set him free. Hopefully past events/decisions of Locke isn’t an indicator of future events.
16. I watched it again and Ben totally says that he “tried” to kill Locke. Tried? Ben has a plan here and I think that Locke is 100% mortal and never died. Maybe he had the crazy paralyzing spiders in that box he was hiding from Jack. Being a doctor, maybe Ben thought Jack would recognize the spiders and then know he was using them to paralyze Locke. Crazy theory you say? I guess we will see!
17. No more knock out drugs on the sub?
18. So here it is, cheesy CGI from the greatest show on TV. Looks way more cheesy when it’s running that it does in these screen caps. One can only hope that there’s not some tech sitting at a desk somewhere uber proud of this work. I hope this was noticed and let go because of sheer campy-ness.
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May 10th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Kate doesn’t want to go with Jack, because she doesn’t want him to erase the past.Since we know she was heading to sing sing, she rather stay in Dharmaville.
May 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
You said Dan was wrong when he said they had to come back and then you stated they had to come back to save Ben? Ben wouldn’t have needed saving if they hadn’t returned. Kate doesn’t want to go with Jack because she doesn’t want to change what happened not that she doesn’t like adventure. Don’t you think trying to return to Dharmaville isn’t an adventure. She doesn’t want to go because she doesn’t want to go to prison and if they change things that means she will never have met Jack/Sawyer/Aaron.
May 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Just read something about “cosmic fractal time cycles”. There are (real) theories that we live in a world where everything repeats within certain time periods … changing periods. Means they get shorter and shorter according to the greek number of phi (The Golden Cut). When everything repeats itself in our human history but just in a different (looking) wrapping we don’t realize it at first look. Well, the show shows some parallels on this. Same settings but different looks.
The ancient folks like egypts knew about this. That’s why they always put lots of gifts into their graves for the next life and so on. And psychologists know about something called “the reptile part of the brain”. This is some kind of ancient relic in ourselves that is from the early beginning. When you compare Richard Alpert with that “relic” there might be some comparison. He never changes, he is and was always there, he is “very old” (according to Ben) and he is an adviser. Just like our reptile brain. Give him a “helper” like smokey who protects the basis of a mind (the subconsciousness e.g.) and it fits together.
So, people can never physically travel through time because we live in a constant moment (time itself does not exist … just in connection with space … means the “space-time-continuum”) but human thoughts can travel. When you go back into your personal “time” (or better thoughts) than you can change bad or hurting images from your past against better ones. When you do it right you “change” your own past and live happy in your future because you changed the whole story. Means, your bad past never happened somehow.
There are lots of discussions about those topics during the last thousands of years. Take the ancient parts (re-incarnation, Jacob, statue, Richard, writings etc.) put some philosophy to it (Locke, Rousseau etc.) and mix it with science (Minkowski, Faraday, Einstein etc.) and you get a bigger picture of it. To tell this would be boring … so change the scene into an action story and you get LOST.
I absolutely don’t know what the finale in 2010 is about but I have some thoughts about it. The storytelling is great and I love the show. But I think the ending will be something completely different than most of us “Losties” expect currently. But that is part of the twisting story, right? ;o)
May 10th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Kate actually loves Jack and he told him when they were handcuffed at elois camp
that if they change the past then Oceanic 815 lands in LA so they will never meet and then kate did this sad u ungraceful motherfker kinda face and then like cried so her plan to stay with Jack is to go to saywer and convince him to stop jack still dont know how but she going to maybe by seducing him
May 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
This is like “Sliding Doors” – I think that was the name of it, the movie with Gwyneth Paltrow. It’s a good film.
Essentially, it’s about a woman who catches a London Underground train, and in doing so her life goes in one direction. But what if she hadn’t caught that train?
I’m actually going to try to watch that movie again,if I can find it, because I think it addresses the same sort of issues that LOST has been addressing this season.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
I think Locke did return from the dead. Maybe the island and Jacob are two different things… Maybe the island wants Jacob dead?? Or jacob wants to die himself to be free??? Ben has never seen Jacob but way back in the cabin did we not see a person sitting in the chair? Wasnt that Jacob? Ben didnt see Jacob but knows where he is?? Has Richard seen Jacob or just like Ben knows where he is? I also believe that jack cannot change the past. hate the fact that he is always trying to *fix* things. So many questions!! OMG cant wait till the next episode!
May 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Just a couple of things…
#1- I thought the exact same thing
#10- Kate killed her real dad, not her step dad…And also I think that the reason she’s not going off on an adventure is because they’re trying to show how the characters are growing through each season and now she doesn’t want to be that adventure Kate
#14- Hilarious
#16- I don’t think that there’s anything more into other than he killed him and Locke came back so in essence he didn’t fully succeed in killing him but he tried.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
11- You just made me think that it looks like the Tempest doesn’t exist anymore, hope we’ll see it again…
16- It seemed to me that Ben and Richard were friends and that Richard wasn’t happy that Locke came back…
May 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
!!!About Jacob!!!
1. Locke said Ben: “you have never seen jacob”
2. Locke wants to kill Jacob
I think Locke means, saying he wants to kill Jacob, that he wants to show everybody that Jacob does not exist.
When Locke has been for the first time in “Jacob house” he has heard a whisper saying “help me”. That voice maybe wasn’t Jacob but it was the island. In fact island can talk to Locke: it tells him when and wear to send Richard to save Locke.
What do you think about?
May 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
BTW BEN AND LOCKE ARE HALF ROTHERS PEOPLE???? THEİR MOTHERS HAVE THE SAME NAME??? IVE BEEN THINKING THAT FOR A LONG TIME. Why would Richard be happy that Locke came back? Richard was unhappy seing Ben. I thought they all want Locke now…
about the comment above: If the help me was the island why would they fake a jacob? I think that the island is def. helping locke find his way. it saved him from death why wouldnt it help now right? but why does the island need Locke soooo much? that I cant figure out. Something about the war thats coming up in the present maybe. others vs. ben vs. windmore vs. new people with a strange box
May 10th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I’ve heard this Ben and Locke are half brothers theory before.If that theory is correct, then Locke is the elder of the two- Ben’s mother died while giving birth to him.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
We saw Locke’s mother in the hospital when she gave him up for adoption and she wasnt the same woman we saw give birth to Ben and die.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
When Ben said ‘Why do you think I tried to kill him’ I took that as when he tried to kill him in season 3. When he shot him and left him to die in the pit.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I think the atitude change of Kate is due to her being pregnant…
May 11th, 2009 at 11:03 am
@Pedro
I thougt the same thing!!