LOST Episodes 6.01/02 “LA X” - Open Thread

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Official synopsis: The aftermath from the detonation of the hydrogen bomb is revealed.
Written by: Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse.
Directed by: Jack Bender.


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  • Eric
    I've just discovered a possible answer to a very small answer raised in season 1 (maybe).
    Actually, it is only a theory at best.

    So it appears that after the flight in the alternate timeline, some items from the plane had gone missing (Christian Shephard, Locke's knives). These were pivotal items for the plot within season 1, right after the plane crashed. I am guessing that these items were flashed onto the island in the original reality which we saw in season 1.

    Now we did notice that Shannon wasn't on the plane, so therefore her asthma medication wasn't on the plane, and so it didn't get 'flashed' onto the island in the 'base' reality.

    Hence, the reason why nobody knew where her medication was in season 1 was because she never was on the plane in the alternate reality!

    ...either that or it got lost in the jungle. It is a big island afterall...
  • My thoughts:
    Sayid is still Sayid, possibly more in tuned with the island but still the Sayid we know.
    I think Jacob needs him because from the all the characters he is the wisest choice to have next to you in battle. The others can get a bit self-involved and distracted but Sayid can leave personal feelings aside, isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty, can make cold decisions for the greater good and his wit and training come very handy.
    The healing waters probably couldn’t work because Jacob was killed so things are off balance now. That doesn’t mean that Jacob himself even in his current state can’t do the job, Sayid still needed to be there due to the location’s specific properties and to be safe inside the temple.
    The drowning part was probably the way it’s supposed to work if there is a certain death situation, for maximum effect. Small stuff just walk in and you are healed but if you are about to die you need to die on the spot to be resurrected and healed the catch is that you tap in with the island’s energy, sync with the island and come back a bit different (remember young Ben?)
    .-Credits to my friend Juanegro for this.-
    I actually was betting at Lapides to be Jacob’s vessel before this episode. Now I think that just as easily he can use Hurley as the in-between to pass his directions.
    Lapides and Desmond most probably will play a crucial role, different ones but yet equally important ones. (If you look at the banner with Locke facing opposite they are close to each other and proportionally distant with the others.) Perhaps Lapides the vessel and Desmond the link between the two realities dunno.
    Rose and her hubby remained in ’77 and died peacefully leaving two corpses for the Losties to find in ’04 in Season 01 (I think) in the caves. I understand the why, they dropped out of the fight and went Blue Lagoon on us so there is no more need for them, but I don’t really like it. The bomb exploded, the phenomenon was triggered so all of them should go back in ’07.
    Now about Jacob and the black shirted man (Not-Locke, UnLocke, Smokey or whatever you want to call him). For the past five years and the few millennia they are possibly around, we are watching them play a game of “backgammon. Just as the pawns live in 2D (Flatlanders) and the players live in 3D meaning the pawn doesn’t the know the future move and the outcome until it happens. In contrast to the player who sees the whole board and strategizes on how to set the pawns to trigger the opponent’s reaction in the way to get the outcome he wants. In the same way the pawns here (people) are 3 dimensional and the players play in 4 Dimensions (4th is the time, case someone didn’t’ know though I doubt it). What I want to say is that Jacob sees the people’s timeline as a whole, as a big picture, and he knows in which points of their lives to interfere in order to set them the way he wants thus if he is successful to win the game. Remember S05E16 where we see him weaving in the loom and creating the tapestry and in E17 he comments on how hard is to make each thread? The way I see it people’s timelines are the threads and the combination of them form the picture Jacob wants.
    Note: I chose backgammon for the example because it is mentioned in S01E02 by Locke and it was said by the writers it had its significance.
    Here is part of the conversation:
    Locke: Backgammon is the oldest game in the world. Archaeologists found sets when they excavated the ruins of ancient Mesopotamia. Five thousand years old. That's older than Jesus Christ.
    Walt: Did they have dice and stuff?
    Locke: [nods] But their dice weren't made of plastic. Their dice were made of bones.
    Walt: Cool.
    Locke: Two players. Two sides. One is light. One is dark. Walt... do you wanna know a secret?

    Last thoughts is that Sawyer will go dark side and team up with Not-Locke for the first part and that Richard will die in the next episodes. After all when you are road tripping through time it’s nice to have an immortal as a lieutenant else you would have to introduce yourself again and again, hold job interviews for the position etc. Now that we are at the endgame there is no need for Richard to live further on.
  • kjlocke
    well, I was wondering if Locke is the smoke monster!!!!how come Locke was sitting and talking to people from the second plane crash and on the other side, Kristen was talking to Sun and ask her to wait to Locke!!
    Second, if the smoke monster take the dead people bodies, Who was taking Walt body, when Shanon saw him?
    The last thing, how did Ben call the smoke monster, when he open that water thing!!!
  • Facu
    I have two theories
    The first is that Walt is psychic, so he could alert the guys and that strange stuff, it is very clear that he has powers, we've been seeing that since S1.
    The other one is that smokey can copy dead people's bodies (copy, not take, because Locke's body was still in the coffin, and now we now that Christian's body never made it to the island) but also he can create some illusions or dreams, but this way he can't interect with the physical world, I mean, he can't punch someone or kill Jacob for example, just talk.
  • Rickth64
    He punched Richard :)
  • crazysalvatore
    I think off-island, it's not Sun who wanted to escape from Korea to America (so she doesn't know any English) but it's Jin instead of Sun. That's why there's so much money!
  • Raven
    We already knew that man.
    Sun wanted to escape without Jin, and Jin wanted to get to LA and escape with Sun, remember the scene of Jin talking to his father.
  • adrian81
    Oh yeah and one more thing that seems to be really important: Did anyone notice how Sayid was dragged out of the water? He was carried away and his arms were hangig down on both sides. To me that looked like Jesus being brought down from the cross or something. So if Jesus is what they wanted to symbolise, then I think it's quite possible that someone will be resurrected in Sayids body. His last question: What d happen? sounded like a glottal stop, the "h" was not really pronounced. "What d 'appen"? This might be London East Ender's Engish or really Scottish or Irish English? SO Desmond might be a candidate for that?

    Something else that came to my mind. What is actually about that girl that Desmond found? The one lying in a hospital bed being in a come or something? They told him that her mind was somewhere esle, travelling or something. I always believed that in that scene lies something really important that will be reveales in the last Season. Do you think her consciousnes will be traveling somewhere? Will we ever see her again?
  • adrian81
    Just watched the episode one more time. What Ithink is really exceptional (as always actually) ist the acting, however, in this episode we saw things that I could never have imagined: Seeing Ben so scared and so horrified, his exes had that look they had never before, when smoky turned into John Locke again, that was one of the greatest Ben moments ever. The same thing is for Richard Alpert: He looked so horryfied when he said: It's you? I enjoyed that a lot.

    Then another more general thing: I think season 1-3 were mainly about ongoing questions, maybe the reaso why some fans quit watching LOST. Too many questions, too few answers. Then season 4 was rather fresh and brought a completely new element (flashforwards). Season 5 was already question-answer-wise quite satisfying. For every new question there was at least one answer given.

    Now, in Season, it seems to be the case, that for every new questions raised there are at the same tim three of four answers given. If this continues like this then this season is going to be extremely satisfying for all those patient fans that tuned in for LOST for the last couple of seasons/years.

    One word about the idea that was brought up that the flash-sideways are the real "future" and that Jacks neck bleeding is becaus ehe died on the island and was then brought back to the plane-reality. That makes sense and I liked the idea a lot. However, Mathew Fox claimed in an interview, that the "flashbacks" would only run for about a third of the series and then there would be no more flashbacks, flashforwards or whatsoever and the end of LIST would be about a conflict on the island. All right, maybe the finale is going to reveal that it's really true and they are sent back without any consciousness, but somehow that would be rather strange, unless Mthew Fox tricked the audience with his statement so that everyone believes that what we saw is over but really its not going to be over but its going to be the beginning and the end of LOST. But to me this is a bit too much speculation and I can't imagine that to be the end of LOST.

    At the same time I do think that the island is going to sink down to the sea, that was my convictiona very long time ago already. Mathew Fox said that the end is going to be really sad and beautiful at the same time. And the producers said that there is definitely not going to be a movie or a spin.off series. Why are they so sure about that? I believe they know that can't happen, because the island (like Atlantis) is going to be destroyed as a consequence of the long and ongoing fight between Jacob and his nemesis...
  • Jarrod
    Theoretical Thoughts...
    When Jacob said "they're coming" before he died, he was referring to the time travelers from 1977.

    Whatever keeps MiB from killing Jacob is the same thing that keeps the smoke monster form from going through ash.
    Perhaps the ash is from Jacobs burned body.

    "They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt, it always end the same."
    This is a reference to the losties[or other groups?] coming to the island and doing things like detonating the bomb. Perhaps in other timelines... over and over and over.
    Somehow.. Jacob and fLocke transcend this.
    They travel from timeline to timeline with Jacob continually bringing people to the island trying to accomplish something... what exactly.. i have no idea.

    Desmond.. if he did disappear off the plane, perhaps he did it in a way similar to what happened when some of the losties were sucked from ajira 316 to 1977... perhaps HE was sucked somewhere...

    Ohh.. perhaps the same for christian's coffin...

    Richard was insistant.. "Don't shoot him. Don't shoot him!!!" [in regards to fLocke]
    Perhaps there is some rule that he cannot attack unless he is attacked.

    "It's good to see you out of those chains." -fLocke
    You all brought up that he was a slave on the black rock.
    This makes sense, but my first thought was he was referring perhaps to figurative chains that kept him in service to Jacob.

    It seems like Hurley on the island has taken on a somewhat of a leader role.

    When Sayid wakes up at the end and says "What happened?"
    Does his accent seem a little off?
    Perhaps Desmond consciousness travelled into his body...

    MiB burned Jacob's body for a specific reason....
    You would think he would want Jacob's dead body there so he could use that form to manipulate others as well.

    Perhaps the alternate timeline has been the alternate timeline all along... our losties were only affecting the future of that timeline. But... if our losties traveled to an alternate timeline, why can't those from other timelines travel to their main one? Perhaps that could explain Christian Shepard, etc.
  • superk15
    Did anyone hear what Juliet was saying right before she died? She said something about "get coffee sometime." followed by "We can do dutch" or something like that. Then she was going to tell Sawyer that "it worked"

    I really do think that juliet, like charlotte, jumped to another time, or in this case, another reality. We'll probably she her in LA X timeline which means, the "losties" and "landies" <Mark this down as your first time hearing "Landies" :) are actually connected on a subconscious level! My theory is that LA X Jack will do something in his timeline that will help The Island Jack in some way.

    Reset the Reset by Resetting again? :/ .....BOOM!
  • summertime310
    Juliet's comment about the coffee reminded me of some of the stuff Charlotte said when they were flashing and she was dying. Maybe Juliet will meet the Sawyer who landed at LAX and they make a coffee date. Destined to be together?

    It is strange that she said to Sawyer "it didn't work", then moments later said through Miles "it did work".
  • Koosher
    She changed her mind because she only began to cross over and see both realities when she was about to leave the island one, thus realizing it did work.
  • superk15
    Did anyone hear what Juliet was saying right before she died? She said something about "get coffee sometime." followed by "We can do dutch" or something like that. Then she was going to tell Sawyer that "it worked"

    I really do think that juliet, like charlotte, jumped to another time, or in this case, another reality. We'll probably she her in LA X timeline which means, the "losties" and "landies" <Mark this down as your first time hearing "Landies" :) are actually connected on a subconscious level! My theory is that LA X Jack will do something in his timeline that will help The Island Jack in some way.

    Reset the Reset by Resetting again? :/ .....BOOM!
  • Flatlander
    It is hard to accept Ben becoming the wasted individual he is. Useless. A major pawn throughout the show. To the point.............
    How and when does Ben redeem himself. I do not think he is as weak as we are being led to believe.
    I somehow believe he and Hugo will be the ones that brings the evil one down. Thus, Hugo says "He is the luckiest man alive."
  • tfan13
    I have a few theories...
    1. Sayid=Jacob...Where's the body?
    a. Smokie is evil and wants to kill jacob so he "copies" locke... check. People are saying that there aren't 2 Sayids so it must be the Real Sayid what if smokie is weaker than jacob and can only MANIFEST himself as people (Christian, Walt, Locke etc.) and leaves behind the body. But, jacob being the island's "watchdog" can TAKE OVER a body after death. Just A Thought.
    2. Alternate Reality=The End...Finale
    b. The "Alternate Reality" is really the ending of the show because at the temple they are "getting ready to do something." (Smokie vs. Jayid? --Jacob/Sayid--) Whatever they do causes everyone's life to reverse. Like this:::
    Locke = Man of Science " my condition is irreversible"
    Jack = Man of Faith "nothing is irreversible"
    Kate = Innocent???
    Sawyer = Mr.Nice Guy "Ladies First"
    Hurley = Luckiest Man Alive
    Charlie = Suicidal
    Claire = Not Considering Abortion
    **** Desmond Jumping ****
    He is a "Time Guardian" of sorts who is "monitoring" both timelines at the same time.
    Just a Thought
    Please Reply by telling me ur thoughts!!!
  • MatiasCba
    My theory (and i am 100% sure i'm wright) is next: what we are seeing is not one reality and one alternative reality, we are seeing what happened after the bomb exploded (what is happening in the island, that is actually what happened in the first place, they didn't change anything) and what is going to happen after they do everything that is next (being in the Temple, "allying" with the Others, etc.).
    Actually, they will be able to change things, to "redeem themselves", not because of the hydrogen bomb, but because of what they are about to do.
    They are just showing us everything at the same time so we think an alternative reality was created after the bomb exploded, to make us confuse.
    In fact, i'm sure in the last episode we are going to see Jack hurting his neck (the wound that he notes in the airplane bathroom).
  • lostallday
    i was thinking very heavily about this possibility as well...sort of like a show where they show the ending at the way beginning and then everything sort of leads up to that...its very intriguing
  • summertime310
    I was thinking the same thing!
  • Elewa
    I think the timeline where they're on the plane is how lost is going to end, and everything that is going to happen.. is between the timeline of the temple and the timeline of the plane, and yes i think they're gonna explain at the end how jack got his wound.
  • crazysalvatore
    I think I got it!

    I think both 'realities' exist, there's not gonna be a choice whether the 1 or the other is gonna become true.
    And here's the thing: Back on the Island they are gonna help themselves have a better life off-island.

    For example:
    - Hurley will 'fix' whatever is wrong with the numbers, on the Island, and so has no curse outside.
    - Jack becomes more of a 'believer' and man of faith, and will use this outside.
    - Locke will be more positive and confident about himself, even being in a wheelchair (Jack might even fix him)
    - Sawyer will do something on the Island (no clue yet) what will prevent his parents to die, which will make him a much more pleasant guy outside.

    To be continued.....what do you think guys? They live their life on the Island to help their life outside the Island be much more valuable or pleasant or worth it.
  • Elewa
    Looks like the timeline of LA X is happening after the timeline of japanesse people but somehow they keep the good impressions they earned during their journey&crash, but still not remember any of the events happened to them.. its kinda sad.
    and where is that wound on jack's neck -on the plane- coming from?
  • crazysalvatore
    Since everybody near The Foot saw the fireworks that the Chinese shot, we can assume that they're in 2007, in the timeline with the 316ers. And since the start of the episode with 'planes wanna be in the air' we can assume that that's the original 2004 flight. So... I don't agree with you on that.

    Except: The Syndey-LA flight is not in 2004, but later, and they all happen to catch that plane later. That must mean that Kate gets caught later, Christian dies later, Claire looks pretty pregnant to me, so she must have gotten pregnant later.... and so forth
  • Elewa
    I meant maybe they'll change their future/past correctly this time which means the temple timeline events happens first then whatever they're gonna do is what makes them go back in 2004 plane without getting crashed xD
  • jaysturt
    Definitely one of my favorite episodes of lost EVER!!! AWESOME!
  • adrian81
    Dude, that was amazing, when I looket at teh comments section there were exactly 108 comments, thats kinda cool, dude ;-)

    I have to oppose the comment that there was no "of my God I can't believe this" moment in this first episode of Season 6. I mean, how amazing was that camera-swing down into the sea and then seeing the Dharma playgropund and the foot of the statue? Maybe some of you didn't look at that with enough seriousness, but down there in the sea was everything that we watched for the past 5 years, all of LOST just down the toilet. When I saw that I just couldn't believe it that was so incredibly breath-taking!

    Secondly, this season was far better that I could have imagined in all of my LOST dreams! Why is that so? BEcause again the LOST writers found a way that was BETWEEN all fan expectations. Remember the fan talk when the island disappeared? There were theroies that the island moved into the future, some other said it moved into the past. Others again said it only moved space-wise, not however in time. What happened actually? Somethin in between. Not the island moved, but the people! Now this could simply not be expected by anyone!

    Now this season: All right, there were some theories about the Losties landing safely (but this was also due to too many information given by Mathew Fox and some of the people behind the creative team. However, what did actually struck me and got me totally unexpected is AGAIN that something in BETWEEN happend. It would be too simple to just say: All right, they just landed safely in LA. Its no coincidence, that everything looks differntly. Why is Jack bleeding? Why is Saywer so "nice"? What the h..ll is Desmond doing on that plane? Its a lot more complex than most fans would have anticipated, but exactly there (not in tha shadow of the statue..;-) lies the strength of LOST: simply blowing the audience away with the utterly unexpected...

    I'm looking forward to every single episode of the new season like I did when I was looking forward to Christmas coming when I was 5 years old... LOST rocked, LOST rocks, and LOST will always rock, dude.... ;-)
  • Bizzy
    Trippy episode(s) my thoughts:

    Sayid is not dead. Like someone mentioned the waters just took longer to work. But I think he is not fully healed yet.
    Jacob is gone.
    Richard will be used as leverage for Smoke Monster to get what he wants.
    The second timeline will intersect and afftect the current timeline.
    No tailies in the eppisode because they don't play into the show. Bernard is the only survivor and he was in the can.
    THIS SHOW IS AWSOME!!!!
  • tidus1117
    Last Night Ratings are here

    9.9 million for clip show
    12.4 million for LA X part 1
    11.75 million for LA X part 2

    source: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/02...
  • laura815
    BTW am I the only one that thinks that Sawyer was actually NICE in the plane/LAX???
    did his life changed somehow?
  • lostallday
    yea i would say that he defineltly seemed nicer to hurley. old sawyer would have taken advantage of him. new sawyer told him to look out for himself so that people dont take advantage of him
  • Elewa
    maybe sawyer wanted to gain his trust then take advantages of him :p
  • lostallday
    i was thinking about that too...would sound good as well
  • D_Dub
    yea i noticed that too...i mean he still had his nicknames but they werent the mean ones he used in the original timeline
  • Laura815
    Lets say his parents weren't killed somehow, but why he's on the plane than?
  • tidus1117
    Do we know who is Christian Sheppard? the one we see in the island???
    is he controlled by Jacob or what?
    why Jacob dissapeared?
    and where is the Body of the Nemesis? (the one we saw in the s5 premiere?)
  • laura815
    Who the hell is Sayid now?? first of all, he died and "DEAD IS DEAD, YOU DON'T GET TO COMEBACK FROM THAT" secon of all, he cannot be Jacob, because the paper, according to chinese guy, said "IF SAYID DIES WE'RE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE" so sayid turning into Jacob doesn't seem to be a "bad thing". third of all it cannot be ...Man In Black, because he can (i think) control one body at the time, and he is john's body now.
    So what is it this time?? Miles clearly saw/heard something when he was near sayid's body. but what?
  • Elewa
    Maybe Miles was wondering why he doesn't hear or feel anything from Sayid like it's supposed to happen with dead people, which means he wasn't dead and he's still the same Sayid we know.
  • tidus1117
    Hurley ask Miles if he heard something. and he said "Nothing" maybe he was not dead...
  • Laura815
    but that doesn't make sense he was checked by that chinese guy and jack....
    maybe miles lied. but that wouldn't make sense either, why would he.
  • Laura815
    I just watched it again. miles head was shanking when he was near sayid, but when hurley asked what he said nothing, but seemed very confused. maybe didn't say anything cause he didn't believe himself what he heard
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