Wow, just reading the above 120 comments gets my mind going. But everyone has their own opinion, though as we count the months and when we hit the final loop hole, these opinions may mean nothing. But thanks to the awesome writers, hopefully this won't happen. From me though, every one on lost, better not be dead, or even Juliet for that matter. If they do, I think I might cry. Scream. And cry again.

what about Walt?? who was use his body??? I don't think John locke is dead. at least his body didn't vanished like Jack's father!!!! and I think Walt, will be the key of next season.

Oh my god, this was the best episode ever, how i am i going to survive the next 9 months without new episodes of lost! I loved it, i watched it twice on sunday night, i was so upset when Juliet died! I Love LOST! Its the only thing i watch on TV!!!!!

I personally loved it, I haven't screamed at the TV and cried as much as I did throughout those episodes. It made me laugh, cry, it shocked me, it made me think. I loved it! Feel sad for Locke though, I hope somehow he still ends up being special. I noticed he seemed a bit evil since being "resurrected", but now we know he wasn't at all. It was so sad when Juliet fell into the hole.

@ Sandamtodd:
That's certainly as definitive as this show gets. So hats off to you and hopefully Anad agrees.

@ FuzzyandPhil:
Well spotted! That certainly makes the statue Tawaret. Does anyone think that it's also very inaccurate? I mean, Tawaret should have the body of a naked pregnant woman!

@ Rush:
The only problem with that idea is that it doesn't account for the Locke2.0 on Hydra island. It seems apparent now that the Locke under the blanket and confidently at Ben's side when he awakes is the new Locke too!

@ the swami:
Yeah, Black Shirt Guy clearly can't kill Jacob himself. Looking at the clothes they wear and the conversation they have, they've been on the island for quite a while (if not eternally!). Surely he could've found a way to kill Jacob himself.

It is popular opinion that the "loophole" he mentioned was convincing someone else to kill Jacob!

@ spender:
What i'm wondering now is "does it matter". If the statue was Anubis or Tawaret or whatever, what difference would it make? Because either way, it's an inaccurate portrayal. So i'm thinking that the point is that people were on the island a long time ago, ancient Egypt kind times!

Also note that although we don't know the Nemesis's name, Jacob is not an Egyptian name - sounds like old testament to me!
We then went on to see some greek writing in Jacob's studio apartment.

(Ricardus is Latin, so maybe he's originally from Italy. But that's probably not as relevant!)

@ teco:
This is what's leaving a bad taste in the mouth. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the show and this crazy season has been more than entertaining. But if it all turns out that the Losties are meaningless pawns for jacob and his mate, there will be some very p*ssed-off fans.


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@Ben's Constant: Good call with the ashes beeing a prison for someone/something. Illana and her crew were also shocked at this, remember? Who broke that ash-line in the first place? was it John Locke? I can't remember...

How come Illana and Richard (and Bram) all know that they are recruited by Jacob (at least I think so) and everyone else (losties) are kept in the dark searching for answers themselves? Have Illana and Richard also been through a "test" to become recruits of Jacob? maybe this is what is happening to the Losties, they are put through this test to see which side they choose.

Also @The Swami: I believe that the nemesis cannot kill Jacob because those are the rules, they must use the "pawns" to influence them to do what they want but they cannot change anything themselves. Free will and all that.

It's all getting a liiiittle too religous for my taste... still a great episode and a fantastic season.

If this turns out to be some biblical - god vs. the devil crap - I will never watch another abc show again as long as I live. 5 years I'll never get back.

Oh my goodness, how am I going to survive the next 9 months!!!??? That episode was so incredible-- it gave us enough information to satisfy us and to make us speculate about what this whole show means. I totally loved how it was Jacob-centric I didn't see that coming. I have so many theories, I don't even know how to share them! :D Anyway, that episode was perfect, except for one thing: why wasn't Desmond in the finale? Is his story done on the show now? When Penny went to see him in the hospital, was that it? But when I rewatched the season 4 finale (with commentary by Damon and Carlton) yesterday, they said that the end of season 4 was "by no means the end for Desmond and Penny." So do you think he will be back for season 6, or is that it? Well, if it is, at least he lived and had a happy ending.

I can't wait for Season 6!

The eye is definitely Jack's, and the statue is now way Anubis or Osiris, this thing has a croc head dudes! Guessed this one a while back but stoked I was right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret and was later known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mut. Makes a lot of sense

The book Jacob was reading when Locke jumped out the window:
http://www.amazon.com/Everything-That-Rises-Mus...

Why doesn't Jacob's nemesis kill Jacob himself? He says at the beginning of the episode, "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you"? Why does he have to have Ben do it?

remember episode 12 . where ben wanted to be judged... there was this part where he tried to summon the monster from his secret door .. went through a narrow tunnel leading to a puddle of water... pulled the plug and said " i'll see you outside" .. ben and sun was on the porch having a conversation then suddenly movements on the bushes ... Ben immediately told sun to go inside because he was anticipating smokey to appear ... then... Lock 2.0 showed up ... well.. smokey didn't show up because he was too busy being John.. lol! this are just my thoughts though. cant wait for the next season... Towards the end.. in the temple scene.. when ben was being "judged" Locke was nowhere to be found.. then right after smokey left... poof! along came john.. i guess this really was planned out by jacob's nemesis "esau "...making ben feel guilty at the same time influencing him as well ...

ABC.com's official recap of the episode confirmed the statue is of Taweret. http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap...

I posted this on another board but it got taken over by idiot children so I'm gonna re-post it here and see if anyone has any thoughts...

I've been thinking about Jacob and his Nemesis and suddenly an interesting parallel came to mind. Trekkies on the board....remember TOS episode by Richard Matheson called "The Enemy Within" where Kirk is split into two halves by the transporter - one "good" one "evil?" Anyway, Evil half wants very badly to kill Good half, but if it succeeded in doing so, the question was: could both survive? "Can half a man live?"

I am now wondering if perhaps this is the case with Jacob and Nemesis. Maybe the reason the man in black was not given a name is because he IS Jacob. They both are! Just like Kirk was two halves. And perhaps the "loophole" was that Evil Jacob found a way to kill his good half and survive when before this would not have been possible?

Also, every time I see that ring of volcanic ash around the cabin I remember Darlton saying that the island's dormant volcano would be important, and I also think of the Winchester boys on Supernatural. Clearly something was imprisoned there and that something got out. Thoughts?

Locke from a different time doesn't seem right. I base this on the conversation that Jacob and Black shirt on the beach:

Black Shirt: "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you."
Jacob: "Yes"
Black Shirt: "Sooner or later I am going to find a loop hole, my friend."
Jacob: Well, "When you do I will be right here."
Black Shirt: "Always nice talking to you Jacob."
Jacob: "Nice talking to you too."

and then the conversation between Locke 2.0 and Jacob at the end:

Locke 2.0: "Hello Jacob."
Jacob: "You found your loop hole."
Locke 2.0 "Indeed I did... and you have no idea what I've gone through to be here."
Ben: "Have you two met before."
Locke 2.0 "In a manner of speaking."

This says to me that Locke 2.0 is Black Shirt in a Locke guise, not a different Locke.
I am leaning toward Black Shirt being able to change appearance, maybe even being the smoke monster.
This would allow him to scan people much like we have seen with Eko and Juliet. Maybe it scanned John back in Season 1 when it almost took him. Maybe smokey can not only see past events, but a person's whole life from beginning to end. maybe all of these events have happened before on a loop like Faraday said and Black Shirt finally figured out which "Loop" he could make a "Hole" in. I think he manipulates Ben by using the smoke monster or maybe Black Shirt was Alex [Locke 2.0 WAS off camera]. I think he knows Ben would kill Locke again in a heartbeat so he threatens him and later feigns surprise at his admitting he must follow him [Locke 2.0] or essentially die. I think he doesn't march straight to Jacob because he knows some of the rules and does not want to tip his hand to Richard, thus we take the fake sojourn. Maybe Black shirt has manipulated Ben since he was a kid. Everyone wonders why Alpert looked different when we first see him with Ben as a kid, maybe this was Locke 2.0 even back then setting things in motion to for this eventual outcome.

I dont think Locke is being possessed by the Smoky or the Nemesis of jacob. This is what i think:

The locke we are seeing now , what many of you are calling the evil locke could be locke fom another Time.

The nemesis if jacob might have met locke and shown him his fate the one that was going to be if he acted according to Jacobs plans. Which as we saw was ben killing him and locke dieing as a sad story with no enlightenment.

Considering how Locke believes anyone when he sees something extra ordinary he must have agreed to the nemesis (Who is as much a part of the Island as much as Jacob is ). From the beginning we have seen John's concern for the Island. Even now he killed Jacob only to protect the Island.

I base my assumption/theory that Locke is still the same locke, just from another time and is following Jacob's nemesis for a change on the following

- Locke is surprised when ben tells him about how the smoke monster warned him to follow locke.
- Locke doesnt know where Jacob lives and asks Richard to show him.
- Locke knows every aspect of his old life until the point of his death.
- We've already seen people existing as two people in the same time ex with Miles and Locke himself.

What do you guys think of this? Could Locke be from another time?

@commandojay
You can see the video and screencaps of the eye opening here:
http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2009/05/lost-season...

Cheapy, I didn't see this eye opening, does anyone have this posted somewhere?
Season 6 premiere will more than likely give us the name of the guy in black. This will help many people theorize the full story. For example, if it is a reference to the first testament bible, about Jacob and his brother, then we can look for parallels between that and Lost. People are doing that now, but it is still just speculation until we actually know his name.
If they are referencing the bible it is 99.9% chance that they are using something from the old testament that can relate to Jews, Christians, Muslims; any religion that have the old testament as part of their faith. Anything from the new testament, exclusively to the Torah or the Quran, would not be used since they would be alienating a large portion of viewers.

I hope Jack's line to Richard saying about Locke "If I were you, I wouldn't give up on him" is the writers telling us not to give up on him. I am totally bummed that it wasn't the real John Locke. But it wouldn't be a Lost finale if we didn't think Locke was dead.

The eye that opens in the end credits is Locke's.

@ Aaron D:
Ha ha ha! Well said. That's hilaarious!

Although I have enjoyed getting twisted up all season over the time travel and destiny ideas, i'm kind of looking forward to the end of it.

The producers said that season finales and following season openers are always a joined story, like a bridge or even a huge episode split up.

So my guess for season six is that the theme will be of uncovering island mysteries, it's crazy history and that the Black Rock/Alpert connection will ne made early. Rather than more backstory/forwardstory of the main characters.

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Hmmmm ... when the show is about "good" and "evil" and that you can always choose between both sides ... Do you remember the foto of Eloise Hawking on the desk of the scottish monk? When Desmond already has chosen his side then "the rules" don't apply for him. Or is there any other (main) character on the show who has chosen his or her side already? Seems they all struggle with something, right? That makes Desmond so special. :o)

Wait, have you all noticed? The BIGGEST shocker of them all??

Al Trautwig was right about something! He kept spewing about how all of this was just part of a bigger game. He kept mentioning a game and how all of the characters were just pieces in the game.

What the hell? Since when does Al make sense?

Another random : Jacob is Rita's ex husband in Dexter season 1 :D

I agree with most of you guys; this finale was different but still amazing.
The ending, while more akin to Season 1's cliffhanger (the opened hatch) instead of game changers like Season 3's and 2's (We have to go back! and the failsafe), really gives season 6 the oppurtunity to be anything. I have no idea what happens next (Eloise :))... and thats why i love lost!

Details:

the jacob flashbacks were great and im sure they mean something. someone has already pointed this out but he touched everyone he met... hmmmm

I really liked the emotional moments: rose and bernard, miles saving his dad, juliet and sawyer

as well as the hidden secrets: the passageway beneath what will be ben's dharma house, and of course jacob calmly reading the O'Flannery book when Locke falls from the sky.

Jacob and his adversary's (Esau??) battle dwarfs everything we've seen so far; Ben and Widmore look just like pawns now (but I know ben will end up being important, just a feeling of mine)

and the losties in the 70's... they could go anywhere now, i honestly have no idea. i hope sayid makes it but i cant make any predictions. and, in traditional lost style, anything we come up with could be dashed with Desmond arriving as a variable and "changing things."

alright goodnight losties! we'll make it to 2010 together brothas.

favorite quote: "I guess it just needed a little push..." ~Jacob

Crazy coincidence...I'm still watching CSI and Libby is on the show too! And Jacob and Libby were making out! Unfortunately in this one Mark Pelligrino's, Jacob, character name is Bruno...but I still thought it was a weird coincidence

So completely random...No use to this post, but I just saw Jacob on CSI. Lol...

Thanks for your help guys. I guess since we don't have the complete picture yet--and won't until the series finale (theres gotta be another huge suprise coming)--I can't really think of the earlier Lost episodes as meaningless.

I guess if you think of the whole lost story as a puzzle, all the pieces are necessary but now that I've seen a glimpse of what the big picture is going to be the pieces i put together at the start of the puzzle interest me less.

Still----lost kicks ass!! Haha I totally thought Al Trautwig was gonna be right for a second and Whidmore was going to be in the box when they first revealed it was a body in the box.....but then I was blown away by it being locke.

I feel bad for Locke, he was manipulated his entire life and now he's dead as dead can be for certain. He never achieved enlightenment. Thats a really sad story.
Unless......Didn't new Locke say "I remember dying." If Smokey is playing Locke now and the real locke is dead, then either Smokey is simply playing the part when he says "I remember dying" or something else. But maybe new Locke is also really Locke and he doesnt know that a dead version of himself is in the box.

I guess theres two options: either new Locke is being played by whoever (smokey/samuel/jacobs nemesis) or new Locke is real and he's unaware that theres two versions of himself.

What I don't get is that, if Richard is so protective of the island, why are him and Ellie agreeing to help Jack blow the place up?

A lot of people still seem to assume that the smoke monster was alex and echo's brother because they were around just before or after smoke monster appearances. But now we know that this nemesis of jacob's can appear as dead people, I think it's pretty obvious that those people were him.
I think the smoke monster is separate from jacob and the nemesis. It seems to judge people on a different scale to how you would imagine the nemesis judging people.
One of the best episodes ever. Of all of television.

I think this God is more what Dmase is looking for

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek

I loved the episode. Was not disappointed in the least. Is that is all of Locke's Story? It is pretty sad life he had if it is. Is Locke 2.0 Smokey? I am assuming that whomever Jacob's counterpart on the beach is he has been acting as Locke since their return to the island. He set John up to kill himself off so he could impersonate him long enough to goad Ben into killing Jacob for him. Is Christian Shepard on Locke 2.0's side too? Where was Christian's body? I think Sayid & Juliet are toast. Unless the flash sends everyone's consciousness forward in time [not their bodies like Desmond in his experience of turning the fail safe key. and they enter their own bodies in 2004 and Desmond by some strange coincidence is able to return to the island in 2004 and help everyone find their constant [Juliet and Sawyer find each other again just like Dez and Penny]. That would all hinge on Desmond though and that seems a stretch [although a version of Desmond would be on the island in 2004 and Daniel said Desmond was unique.] This would also bring a rebooted John Locke 1.0 back to life [as well as a host of other 815ers]. The whole set up now feels like a game even more than it did before [the mentioning of rules and loop holes, dark and light]. The pairings such as Jacob and Locke 2.0 and the use of the loophole, Widmore and Ben and the changing if the rules, Jack and Locke [I wonder what their game changer is?] and everyone one of these parings still has to answer to the island. It seems as though everything is happening over and over, just over many generations [same game different pieces on the board]. Juliet living after falling down the hole I can attribute to the island not being done with her until she had done what it needed her to do. Can't wait for the home stretch next year. I have a gut feeling Hurley is the game changer, guess we'll see?

what is it jacob was putting together at the beggining was that the the ra prophecy by any chance???

Just had a thought that isn't totally related but needs answering. Is the person who falls past the window in 'Numbers' episode in season 1 Locke? Hurley is talking to his accountant and then someone falls past the window if you can't remember. We also see Locke falling again this episode so who knows!

This episode in general was just really good. It is just going to screw with my mind. Maybe he pushed the plane with Boone in as well.

First off, I want to say that this was the best Lost episode so far! I absolutely love and I'd give it a 10 star rating if I could.

I know that a lot of people have already said this, but I just wan't to say that I agree. Samuel(smoke monster) is bad and Jacob is good. The fake "Locke" is actually the smoke monster. The smoke monster has been known to come in the form of dead people. I had a feeling all along that that that this new Locke was really the smoke monster. When Jacob told Ben, "What about you?", I think he did that not to be mean but to get Ben to kill him so he can be a sacrifice. If you noticed he just stood there and let Ben stab him.

I don't believe that the '77 losties changed anything. I aggree with Miles, this whole nuke thing was part of the incident. Now I think that [without Juliet] they will be transported back to 2007. I think that is what Jacob meant when he said, "They're coming."

Dmase, Anubis has a tail, but the four toed statue does not. Also, Anubis's head/mouth is more dog-like while the four toed statue's head/mouth is more alligator/crocodile-like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

He replace Anubis. These guys put a lot of effort into this!!

So I did a little research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back...

Now its starting to make sense!!!

does anyone know what the writing on the rug that Jacob was making means?

Loved the ending. Lost rocks. Just finished watching for the first time and still in awe. But loved it.