Official synopsis: Jack’s decision to set things right on the island is met with some strong resistance by those close to him, and Locke assigns Ben a difficult task.
Written by: Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse.
Directed by: Jack Bender.
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May 13th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Well, the ending was sh*t.. Totally hyped up, I was expecting more than that.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
JULIET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have absolutely NO character to watch this show for anymore
May 13th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Holy crap I thought Trautwig was gonna be right and Whidmore was gonna be in the box lol:)
That was a whole lot of mythology……hey weren’t we supposed to find out more about the smoke monster?!!!
I guess the negative of the “lost” titles at the end means something
I’m gonna need to watch that like two or three more times. Boy, Darlton was right, this ending is a HUGE cliffhanger just like season 2
also if lockes really “dead” that makes me very sad cause he was manipulated his whole life
wow i’m really disappointed i could have swore they told us there was gonna be some more stuff about smokey
May 13th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
so i think the smoke monster was the guy in the begining…and so the smoke monster manifested himself as locke and killed jacob…but the real question is where is desmond!?!?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
@lil xbl wow if the guy opposite jacob from the beginning is smokey i would love that. seriously though it all comes back to the black and white game from season one. jacob was wearing white at the end of course.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I literally do not know what to say…This episode was, really really good. I just wish they would’ve taken the stories 1 step further, but I guess that’s the point and it’ll be in season 6. Counting down the days. And I’m going to re-watch every season just to make sure I didn’t miss anything.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
As soon as I saw Jacob and the guy in black I knew who they were; The guy in black is the smoke monster. The black and white/ good vs. bad was obvious in their clothing. We know why the others have an affinity for children, because Jacob does, they are innocent and under the right guidence can be good. The smoke monster lives under the temple. Roussaus team who went in likely didn’t live. They were just the smoke monster trying to break free of his prison and eventually kill Jacob. But there was this loophole that he could never get past.
The smoke monster was trapped in the cabin (not Jacob), and ever since he has been manipulating Locke.
The only thing that didn’t fit was that Jacob had Sayid’s wife killed; maybe he felt it was needed to get him back to the island.
I see these two guys as Gods, or what the Egyptians considered Gods; this was their home.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
I am crying and shaking so badly right now.
THAT IS THE MOSDT AMAZING THING I WILL EVER WITNESS.
I am sure of it.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Does anyone know what richard said to alana in response to “what lies in the shadow of the statue?” it sounded like spanish or latin…..hard to tell
May 13th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Well, now it’s all extremely simple.
Jacob has a habit of making people come to the island, and he’s trying to prove something. The Jacob-enemy dude is pissed about it, but he can’t kill Jacob directly, in much the same way Ben and Widmore cannot kill each other. So all he had to do was replace Locke and with the smoke monster’s help get Ben to kill Jacob.
Simple. The smoke monster is working at cross purposes to Jacob. No, the smoke monster is the Jacob-enemy dude. It is working to kill Jacob. Jacob has influenced history to prevent this, but in the end the Locke pod-person pulled it off.
Wait, no. Jacob landed on the island in ancient times and the people he was with fought amongst each other. The smoke monster was unable to kill him and appeared in the form of the Jacob-enemy dude.
I’m going to bed.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
@commandojay
See I totally took the Jacob killing Nadia thing as Jacob SAVING Sayid, knowing that he had to come back to the Island.
This episode makes me rethink everything about this season. The man pretending to be Locke basically manipulated the real Locke into killing himself so that the evil Locke could still live… And does that mean that Christian was this guy in black too? Has he been evil this whole time? When Christian told Sun that Locke would take her back to Jin— does that mean Sun won’t actually be reunited with Jin? …or will they if technically the plane never crashes? Or did the bomb ALWAYS happen and then like Miles said, that WAS the Incident. Wow… complete mind f*** Can not wait for next season to see how this all plays out.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Richard said: The One That Will Save Us All… Latin
May 13th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Final Season:
DESTINY REVEALED!!!!
does anyone know what this could mean?
(sry if i’m behind)
May 13th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Okay. There was a lot of information in that episode about whats going on and what the island is. So Jacob and that guy are kind of like god and the devil, just like in the bible, they can not control humans. That’s why Jacob told Ben that he had a choice and that’s why the “Evil Locke” couldn’t kill Jacob himself. The bible always speaks of free will, and humans cant be controlled, only influenced. Take note of all the signs:
Bible Names: Rose, Jacob, Michael, Aron, John, Sheppard, David, James, …
Plane: Flight 316 (3:16) to Guam
Island: Miracles
Destiny and so on and so on
References to Moses
I also noticed that Jacob had to touch all the characters. (touched by god). And that Locke was actually dead when he went skydiving out that window.
So the writers are using the bible as a blue print for the show, which is pretty cool. I’m not religious by any means, but i think the bible is a pretty good book.
I can go on and on… Let me know your thoughts.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
great episode – deepens the mystery of Jacob just as it reveals it to us.
…observing the ‘black rock’ intro is great.
the “cabin” ‘someone has been using it…’ line means deception are revealed
suspects – locke, christian, claire, richard, ben…
The war – jacob VS man #2 “still trying to prove me wrong”
“…it only ends once. Anything else before that, is progress”
wow – and “holy crap” LOST bloggers
May 13th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
REALLLLLY MATT P????!!!!!!! that is awesome. That was a way bigger clifhanger than i can handle for 9 MONTHS!!!! Is Juliet dead? Did they cange the future? Will locke be in the final season as LOCKE? What about rose and burnard will they be back? WAIT HOLD ON A MINUTE!!!! WHAT ABOUT DESMOND AND PENNY???!!! Hope fully their story is over
! WAIT WHERE IS CLAIRE??? WILL SHE GET THE DRIVE SHAFT RING??? WAIT OMG JACOB IS DEAD!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and what is in that gittar case that jacobgave to hurley? hmmmmm man i need to go to sleep!
oh one last thing WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTT needs to be back!!!!
May 13th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Thank you Matt P…That is awesome
May 13th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Hurley needed the guitar, so he could float when he hit the water in the time jump.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
wow good thinking DMase!!!! RIP LOCKE AND JACOB . . . and juliet??? maybe?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
well actually if the whole bomb thing works out as planned then Locke wouldn’t be dead…
because he would have landed in LA!
May 13th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Likely this is the last time we will see Rose, Bernard, and Vincent. I think this was a bit of a send off so people will just stop asking what happened to them.
Since we see the Black Rock in the beginning, and the guy in black is not imprisoned yet or Jacob is not in hiding, I think Richard comes from the Black Rock. Richard becomes Jacobs eyes and ears on the island.
As for religion, yes there are bible references, as well as Egyptian references. I think though many of the Christian references may not be so simple; There are many faith ideas or themes that are common amongst many religions. I think the writers are careful with this; for example, not to alienate Jewish, Muslim, Hindu…viewers. You may see a scene as having Christian ties, while someone else may see the same scene linked to another faith.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Ah Zach that’s what I thought at first. But if all goes to plan with the bomb then Jacob never saves John after his fall…So then really Locke dies, just earlier.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
i love how everyone is asking if juliet is alive or not……are we forgetting the bomb blowing up and killing everyone?!?!
May 13th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
wow this is so mindtwisting!!
next season is gonna be amazing!
i just had another thought too…
What happens to Desmond?
Will he just be trapped on the island forever because the plane never crashes?
but wait the island doesn’t exist anymore…
damn…
so then does he just finish the sailing race thing like normal?
May 14th, 2009 at 12:08 am
agreed marty, aside from the obvious question raised, what about clarie, desmond and WALT- his specialness and his overall greater meaning which he best have. anyway as far this ending and having to wait 8 months…OMG WTF HOLY JESUS.
May 14th, 2009 at 12:10 am
doesnt the bomb/swan cancel out/negate?
(((((]
no one dies [maybe jules
May 14th, 2009 at 12:15 am
If the bomb did what Faraday said it would do, than no one is dead – Juliet, Jack, Kate and Sawyer, all alive.
And I definitely don’t think Jacob is dead.
May 14th, 2009 at 12:23 am
While still giving Ben a choice, for whatever reason I think Jacob wanted to be killed, he goaded him by saying “what about you”.
May 14th, 2009 at 12:24 am
So another question I just remembered. How does Illana know Jacob before she gets on the island via Ajira flight 316? So many questions…
May 14th, 2009 at 12:25 am
I want to know who is DEAD?
May 14th, 2009 at 12:28 am
You guys are forgetting about the eye in the ending credits. It was Juliet’s eye and it had no blood in it, which means that the bomb probably worked.
May 14th, 2009 at 12:32 am
@ kev: Are you sure that was Juliets eye?? I thought it looked pretty similar to Jacks eye from teh episode “316″ to me personally
May 14th, 2009 at 12:33 am
overall i thought this was an amazing episode left me with some many questions while still answering some as well. We know Ilana and co. work for Jacob now, but what is there purpose on the Island it cant have been just to tell Richard Locke is dead.
I agree that “new Locke” is Smokey, idk why but that never really crossed my mind. I think its obvious that “new Locke” is the same person that Jacob was talking to at the beggining of the episode.
So now seeing the Black Rock a lil ways off shore i am really confused as to how it got in the middle of the Island. I had always thought it was during the Island moving and the Black Rock was in the wrong place at the wrong time but guess not any more, so how did it get there?
I am sad about Juliet, i had really grown to like her a lot. I was also sad and touched to see Sawyer react the way he did, he really did love her. The bomb exploding tho….hmmmm……i think the Losties in 1977 arent gonna be dead but they will actually time travel weather to before 815 leaves or maybe to 2007 with Sun and co. idk. But i think they will remember everything regardless, idk why but i really believe that.
i cant think of what else to say right now i am almost speechless, it was hard for me to come up with this haha, but the episode was also very funny there were a ot of funny ass one-liners. Especially when “new Locke” says to Ben “You mind if i ask you a question?” and Ben replies “I’m a Pisces.” haha
May 14th, 2009 at 12:36 am
When the show start we saw Jacob and the other guy, the guy told Jacob how bad he wants to kill him and he will find a loophole. I think that guy was pretending to be Locke and went through some major surgery.
May 14th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Yep, whose eye was it really?
That IS the question!
Do you think “Adam and Eve” are really Rose and Bernard?
May 14th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Does this mean the John Locke we all knew and loved actually died when Ben murdered him back pre-season 4 finale? Has he been dead this whole time? Did Locke really fall so low and become a loser like he always feared? And then get murdered by Ben? Was that the end?
May 14th, 2009 at 1:00 am
Great thread everyone! First off, amazing episode! I hope Juliet makes it. Secondly, just some thoughts.
Richard did NOT bring Locke to the cabin, because he knew where Jacob has been. There by excludes him from being on the list of people who were working for “THE GUY IN BLACK” who I think was the one who used the cabin disguised as Jacob. what do you guys think?
I think what happened with the Losties was supposed to happen. Especially since Dr. Chang lost his hand during the ordeal. He was suppose his arm that way.
I Love Lost!…… and Juliet.
May 14th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Unfortunately I think Juliett is dead. It allows the 3-way love triangle between Kate, Sawyer & Jack to get even deeper.
To me there’s no way Faraday’s plan is going to work. If it does and they all go back to the plane how can the storyline continue? They won’t know anything about the island! I think the explosion might send them on another time travel. Maybe they’ll get sent to the days when the statue was still standing. They’ll then meet up with the passengers of the Black Rock. At that point they’ll be forced to make the decision to choose sides – Jacob’s or the other guy’s. The question is – is Jacob the good guy or the bad guy? He definitely seemed to be good to me but maybe that’s just what the writers want us to think? Jacob was depicted as almost God-like in the way that he seemed to choose each person in the flashbacks. He brought Locke back to life, saved Sayid’s life, taught Kate a lesson…Very strange.
And what about Whidmore? Obviously he’s going to be a HUGE part of the final season. And there’s Claire? What happened to her?
DMase – very interesting observations
May 14th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Wow! What an awesome episode! I’d say the best episode yet of all seasons! Crazy!
It had everything: great dialogue, action (Jack & Sawyer…didn’t see that coming), emotion (Juliet & Sawyer brought tears), answers (Jacob is not Locke V.V.), more questions, flashbacks (Jack’s – related to the Pilot episode).
I’m glad the writers resolved Locke (smokey?)/Ben meeting with Jacob and not leaving it until next season (which I thought they might do). The end with Juliet and the white light was a great ending to the the “flashes” time-traveling season.
Best show on TV!
So Jacob raised Locke from the dead after the fall?
May 14th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Wow what a Unbelievable Finale Episode, the best Lost Finale EVER!
when Ben stabbed Jacob to death and Locke kicked him in the fire, that was so breathtaking then one minute later we see Juliet still alive when she starts banging that bomb with the rock, I went Crazy!
But my mouth is still open when I saw Locke in the crate box, this new Locke will create a brand new storyline for season 6, I just cant wait!
May 14th, 2009 at 1:53 am
what about me? really? maybe if jacob wasnt such a **** to me i wouldnt have have had to stab his ass.
May 14th, 2009 at 1:57 am
So wait, who is this new Locke but more importantly, is John Locke actually dead and has been since he was murdered by Ben?
May 14th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Yes, Locke has been dead since he was murdered by Ben. Remember Sun asked Ben if he knew this would happen (Locke’s resurrection) and he seemed as shocked as she was. Also, when Ben’s “daughter” visited him and told him to listen to everything Locke said, it was the smoke monster which may or may not also be the fake Locke.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:28 am
I am very upset now. Now I really miss Locke. He always was my favorite character and I was so thrilled to see him happy and so confident when he returned to life with a purpose.
Having none of that matter because he died after failing miserably makes me feel awful. John Locke had so much potential but became nothing more than a huge loser and a failure. I miss him.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Well, at least we know how Dark Locke knew exactly when/where to send Richard to tend to Real Locke’s wounds. That is assuming, of course, that Dark Locke is in fact an incarnation of the smoke monster.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:14 am
OK, sorry – this sucked! I need to rewatch this episode later, but I doubt, that my opinion will change. I’m a big LOST fan and I’ve enjoyed the show a lot so far. Maybe it will all make sense in season six. I really think, that they raised too many questions. What’s with Sayid? Doesn’t seem like he’s gonna get much older. Locke not Locke, but some other guy, we just got introduced to? Way too many more questions. Apart from that, I didn’t enjoy the action sequenzes at the end of the episode. The whole shoot out was way too much “Hollywood” like. All those Dharma guys with rifles and Jack makes it through the hail of bullets? Nope, too far fetched. Juliet falls into that whole, all that drilling stuff goes down as well and she is still alive somehow? Please don’t get me wrong. I know it’s a show and not real. Just making my point, that it didn’t convince me. I’m glad, that so many people thought it was an awsome episode. I was disappointed. Didn’t do it for me
May 14th, 2009 at 3:34 am
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I haven’t seen so so…i don’t know how to desribe it!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I want more more moooooore!!!
May 14th, 2009 at 4:03 am
the compass is the loophole smokey found. he/it managed to get that around in time.what it can do with such a loop is maybe to prevent the 1 ending jacob is talking about in the first scene
lost was originally titled ‘the circle’
now it is L.oop O.f S.pace & T.ime
May 14th, 2009 at 6:33 am
THIS EPISODE WAS UNBELIEVABLE!! I LOVED IT!
May 14th, 2009 at 7:50 am
The only other idea as to who Locke is now that he was in the “box”- is that maybe it is still Locke but just in an immortal body that can’t be killed now by anyone. I’m leaning more towards the idea that he’s “Smokey” now…but it would really suck if the real John Locke was dead!!! =(
May 14th, 2009 at 7:55 am
I really never liked Juliette. Never seemed trust worthy. Great acting by her and James though. Very moving. :’(…
May 14th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Wow…. At first I was disappointed but after watching it again I’m really satisfied with it. Amazing episode. Its a pity about Locke and I hope he can come back as himself in some way. Really nice moments with Rose and Bernard, sad to see Juliette go but the send off was nice.
Its was nice to see Jack being nice about Locke for once when he told Richard not to give up on him. I felt they introduced Jacob really well, he seemed like a saintly and genuine person, very Christ like. Especially when he was reaching out and touching the Losties in the flashbacks. Everyone he touched was shifted back into 1977 (except Sun for some reason), Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Jin, and Sayid. I just wish he hadn’t touched Sun then it would fit perfectly. Perfect season finale…but 8 months… aggh.
May 14th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Wait… Who is LOST, what is LOST?? Who is Jacob, Jack, Kate, Hurley etc? What island???
And what the hell year is
Cant wait for S06
May 14th, 2009 at 9:54 am
This finale left me feeling hollow inside. I hoped that somehow Locke had become enlightened and but I wasn’t surprised when they dropped his real body out of the crate. It was extremely depressing though to see that all the time Locke was being manipulated and played by Jacob and his island-mate, Samuel, and that he was never really “special” at all. What can this mean now for Jack who has become the Island’s new Man of Faith?
I read a while back that someone thought that Smokey was not judging people on the Island for a good purpose but instead using his judgment to manipulate their feelings of guilt. That is why he kills Eko when Eko does not feel guilty. We were made to think that Eko was being punished for not feeling bad about the bad things he had done but in fact Smokey didn’t care about that. Smokey wants to control and manipulate the people on the Island for his own purposes. It seems clear now that the smoke monster is a manifestation of Jacob’s enemy Samuel and that Smokey wants to destroy Jacob and create chaos.
I think that Jacob is supposed to be good, the white against Samuel’s black. Samuel seemed like Agent Smith from the Matrix when he sounded so negative about the people on board the incoming ship. Jacob encourages free will yet manipulates the outcome of things to come. He guides his white pieces in an effort to keep the darkness at bay. When Jacob says “They’re coming” he means Jack and his gang. There will be no reset, no landing at LAX at the beginning of Season 6. All of the pieces will be moving into place for the ultimate game of backgammon where the fate of humankind will be decided.
May 14th, 2009 at 10:16 am
What’s pissing me off is Juliette changing her mind, and the bull Jack gave for doing all this. He really thinks Kate and him were “destined” to be together, and that them landing safely is somehow going to get them to be together even though she’s going straight to jail? And Juliette’s like “if we never meet I’ll never lose you.” What effing idiotic sappy crap is that. And if this all resets things then she’s still stuck on the island with weaselly Ben. I think all the awesomeness is causing people to gloss over these two extremely stupid things. I’m done with the love stories on this show, it’s the least of my concerns. The very least.
May 14th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Ok this episode was awesome… but you guys are forgeting a few things. When good locke met walt, walt told locke that he saw him on the island in a suit with a bunch of angry people around him…leading me to believe that the bomb actually works, cuse if it dose locke would never have died, and his concencious will return to his body…i think jacobs nemisis is some kind of devil…he can only manifest himself as dead people i.e. christian, locke….I think the oceanic 6 are jacobs army….or maybe everyone on 815…he recruted them off the island….also hurly will now be able to speek directly with jacob…i think jacob knew what was going to happen way befor his nemisis found the “loop hole” and i believe he recruted the 6 to help him take back his island…after being stabbed he says ” there on their way”…reffreing to the losties in the 70′s and dead locke….maybe even walt, arron, and suns child…
May 14th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Awesome episode … am not sure if smokey is the guy in black cause he looked surprised when Ben told him about what alex told him to do (follow locke) + if it is smokey then why is christan in 2007 ?
LOST rules !
May 14th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I loved this episode and I will be able to get through the next 8 months without being overly stressed thank god! OK so here are my thoughts one that when Jacob says they are coming I think he is refering to all those he touched – Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, and Ilanas group these are his army and I think that next season we will see that those that were in 1977 will now be in 2007 hence they are coming. Also I really think now that Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve they were so set on just living their lives together and not concerning themselves on what goes on around them. I loved seeing what happend to Charlies ring even if it only assisted Sun with a flashback LOL and wow I was in tears about Sawyer and Juliet it felt so much like seeing Des and Penny together. Last but not least poor Ben I feel so bad for him I mean the player had been being played all along.
May 14th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Wait if locke is in his coffin still who was the dude in jacobs house locke cause it looked like him but wait that doesnt make sense
May 14th, 2009 at 11:40 am
WOW i loved it!
I dont think anyone has mention what Jacob said at the ending…
“They are coming”
and of course is the gang from the 70′s are back in the present
wojoooooo
right? what Miles said was right what they did with the bomb send all of them back to the present
and Lockes face like 0.o He better be prepared!
Locke is the bad guy, but that like everyone is good and he is the only one bad ummm they need more villains probably Ben joins him…
May 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Okay…I may be the only one, but I really, genuinely felt for Ben. Just like Locke 1.0, Ben has been screwed over his entire life: mom dying at birth, crappy abusive dad, getting shot, being a loyal leader doing everything in his power to protect the island and Jacob can’t give him the time of day???? Honestly, I cheered when he stabbed that smirking bastard.
It seems to me that the half brothers’ destiny (Locke and Ben – I still think they share a mother) is so parallel that fate was bound to tie them to one another.
So now the question becomes…is Locke 2.0 the Smoke Monster? Widmore? A guy Widmore served when he was Leader while Ellie served Jacob? Clearly Eloise had her own motives in bringing the O6 back to the island and I’m not sure if she was working with Ben or against him in this regard.
Aargh!!! 9 months is too long.
May 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I cant wait to see the faces of the people when Evil Locke comes out of Jacobs shoe house, if he comes out. Maybe Jacob becomes a smoke monster as well. He did get kicked into the fire. 9 months and counting!!
May 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
jack will be jacobs loop hole. so jack is still jacob. oh yeah love it. what a episode. want to see more of the black rock too
May 14th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I read through the entire comments section, and no one seemed to notice that the supposed “Jacob” who goes to see Ilana telling her he needs her help is wearing BLACK gloves, and I don’t believe he touches her. That leads me to believe that that scene is actually Jacob’s nemesis, the man in BLACK, at the beginning of the episode. He obviously can take the form of anyone who he sees fit to help manipulate the outcomes of things(Maybe Ana Lucia, telling Hurley to not go to jail, Christian, telling John to move the island, etc.etc ). I also think that Jacob can also take the form of others (Charlie, Claire, both telling him to not bring him back, where people would think their talking about Aaron, but actually talking about bringing Locke back to the island” Your not suppose to raise him,(Locke), “don’t you dare bring him back”(Locke). Everyone has a choice, jacob says.
And now they made the wrong choice by bringing him back, So black shirt wearer could take on John’s body to be able to perform the loophole to kill Jacob, with his manipulating of the master of manipulation, Ben.
May 14th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
OK wait a minute, if every character has been manipulated this entire time by either Jacob or Jacobs nemesis then that means this whole thing is a game…….which would mean everything we’ve seen on the show is meaningless. All these characters and their individual stories mean nothing. They are just pawns of two douchebags fighting each other. That makes me really sad. Why have I watched the first 5 seasons then?:(
May 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
It’s not that gloomy. Everyone still has a choice. And not everyone has been influenced.
May 14th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Maybe the game is that Jacob’s nemesis thinks that only bad things will always happen, and so far that is all the happens, constant fighting and conflict, and Jacob’s stance on it is that everything is not all bad, and people will not always fight. The constant struggle between Black and white, an underlying story of the show. jacob’s idea must be that 2 different sides can co-exist on the island at the same time with out their being a struggle, and all he has to do to win this “game” is have it happen once, which is yet to happen. The nemesis says,”your still trying to prove me wrong aren’t you.” “you are wrong” says jacob. ” They come, they fight , they destroy,they corrupt. It always ends the same.” says the Nemesis. ” it only ends once, then everything before that is progress.” says Jacob. Their are still so many questions to be answered, like why these people were chosen and so forth. I anticipate the show will be better to watch when we know all the pieces of the puzzle. It is nice to be able to use your mind and anticipate why or what is going to happen, But I feel when the show is “done” we can finally watch it all over again and know exactly why thing’s worked out the way they did.
I have an idea of how the black rock may have become to be in the middle of the island. Think back too the previous episode when the Losties are transported back to the time when the statue was still standing. Since all their time jumps seem to have some significance I think it’s safe to say when they jumped in that point in time, was when the black rock was coming, and since the island is always “moving”, which I think is a literal meaning, not just through time but the actual space it occupies, that the ship is sailing along, and then all of the sudden it was in the middle of the island cause of the time skips, not only moving through time but into a different area of the ocean as well. though logic shouldn’t matter, I think that is a logical assumption. And as others have said, yeah I believe Richard came with the black rock.
I love theorizing. Nothing better than being right, or hell, it’s even nice thinking one thing and having the complete opposite happen. Who knows where the show will end up at. got to love it.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Why do we assume Jacob is “good?” The fact that he had blond hair (white) and his Nemesis had dark hair (black) was almost too transparent a clue for my liking.
Also, his open contempt for Ben’s pain and yearning to have just a scrap of acknowledgment/appreciation from the man he’s faithfully served for 35 years made me angry at him. If that’s how a “god” treats his people, I wouldn’t want to follow him either.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
well the whole dialogue how the nemesis spoke, like how badly he wants to kill jacob, and jacob being a believer in the humans, his nemesis talking bad about them, these are clues to believe that jacob is good. i dont think theres a twist around there. and ben? well, ben has been an asshole his whole life, he lies, thats what he does, he said it hisself. he stole alex just to feel confident and good, just to have an own family. thats why jacob ignored him.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
But looking back at everything that happened between Season 1 and the finale, excluding the finale none of the stories have anything to do with anything. Or at least thats how I feel right now. Finding the hatch, getting to the freighter and off the island, etc.–nothing important to the overall story (which was revealed in the season 5 finale) happened during this time. These were just things that the characters thought was important at the time (and the audience too) but really they were just like anecdotes, stories to tell to pass the time until the true story of the show was revealed.
Maybe I’m being too melodramatic and everything will make sense at the end but right now I see no purpose behind those first few seasons. Even looking back at the rivalry between Ben and Whidmore….who cares now? They don’t matter it seems
Someone please prove me wrong so I can stop being so emo:)
May 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
All you have to do is look at Rose and Bernard. They are the only 2 beings on the Island that are peacefully coexisting. Jacob’s brother thinks that humans visiting the Island come only to fight but Rose and Bernard will prove once and for all that black and white, male and female, yin and yang are meant to be together always. There will never be an end to this conflict until all becomes gray.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
One more thing about Ben and Jacob – remember why Richard was so impressed by Ben? Because Ben told him that he saw his dead mother in the jungle, who was the smoke monster/the bad player. Richard thought Ben must be special and told whidmore (the island choses who the island choses), but it wasnt jacobs choice that he became the leader, it was something influenced by the bad guy.
@ callum: no, the first seasons were’nt useless at all. mostly every piece was a part of the game between jacob and his enemy. just regard al the dead people appearances, they were all the smoke monster aka. jacobs enemy. he wanted to mislead/seduce them.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
In response to Callum, the fact that these two Gods are having a conflict is the big picture, the endgame. Everything that has happened since season one are all the gameplay moves that have lead up to the checkmate. Every person involved were not just pawns, the outcome relies on their free will, capacity for love, and their ability to resist temptation and revenge. I agree with Rose and Bernard, everyone should just chill on that awesome island and enjoy life. I feel that way about real life as well.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
John Locke being not him but somebody else ‘in his body’ (am i right? my english aint that well that i understood completely) would be my personal most dissapointing fact of the entire series.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I agree Mike E. Did u see their faces when she said that? For an instance they though “we should just kick back and enjoy this” but their so caught up with the politics of the island theres no way to enjoy whats around them.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
My guess for the very final scene of Lost: Everybody on board of 815, looking down, seeing they fly over the island, flying through, and enormous smiles on everyones faces. I guess everybody will be asked back for that scene: Boone, Shannon, Charlie, Claire, Ana Lucia, Eko, Libby, Michael, Walt… And ofcourse, Frank will be the pilot of the plain!
May 14th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
@ salvatore
I totally agree with your post about Locke/Fake Locke
Although it sets up some cool stuff for next season, having Locke have been dead all along killed it for me. He was my (and many others) favorite character and it was great to see him so confident with his new self with a purpose. Having that not have been him all along takes something away from us….
May 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
@ callum:
The reason we had to know about these characters and their struggles is to understand the choices that they make. The war between Jacob and Samuel (I Think that’s his name) is the OVERALL conflict, but the outcome of that conflict is going to be decided by the choices that the characters we’ve come to know make. Widmore and Ben’s conflict has already changed the paths of most of the people we know and I’m willing to think that when its all said and done, their “war” will be a huge if not partial catalyst for what happens at the end. The game is constantly changing depending on what the Losties do. Thats why we needed seasons 1-5 (maybe not 3 so much, haha) so that as the game moves along, we know why. hope this makes sense and not Trautwigish, although he did get a lot right, the game and the loop of crashes occurring on the island.
May 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I personally think that the eye was Kate’s eye. Juliet has blue eyes, where as Kate has green ones. And the eye’s colour is green-ish.
May 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Seriously??? It’s Jack’s eye from the beginning of the pilot, hands down.
May 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Here’s some speculation/theorizing…
The negative of the “LOST” logo at the end of the finale was symbolic of the sixth season. By this I mean that everything will become “inverted”, so to speak. Dark will be light, light will be dark. I don’t think it will literally be day when it’s night and vice versa. I am just talking about the sides, or it could be more than just the sides.
Secondly, (I am calling Jacob’s nemesis, Esau because of the story of Jacob from The Bible) I believe that Esau is not the smoke monster because (assuming that “new Locke” is Esau) new Locke didn’t have any information of Alex telling Ben to do whatever it is Locke tells him to do. Also, (assuming that the Christian Shepherd we see walking around is Esau) Christian tells Vincent in a Missing Pieces episode to go wake up Jack in the Jungle, right after Oceanic 815 crashed. If Vincent is more than just a dog then it wouldn’t make sense for Esau to be treating him the way he is in this Missing Pieces episode.
It’s all speculation, of course.
BEST LOST EPISODE EVER!!!
May 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Loved the ending. Lost rocks. Just finished watching for the first time and still in awe. But loved it.
May 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
does anyone know what the writing on the rug that Jacob was making means?
May 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
So I did a little research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Ffr2%3Dsg-gac%26sado%3D1%26p%3Degyptian%2520god%2520anubis%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501-s%26ei%3Dutf-8%26x%3Dwrt&w=323&h=500&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F1057%2F817274604_f739e5fe00.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fvenvierra%2F817274604%2F&size=76k&name=Anubis&p=egyptian+god+anubis&oid=f6a8a2abe5ab5e58&fusr=Venvierra&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fvenvierra%2F&no=5&tt=803&sigr=11hjjpt1p&sigi=11fa7c96o&sigb=13m540fmg&sigh=117hqqdnp
Now its starting to make sense!!!
May 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris
He replace Anubis. These guys put a lot of effort into this!!
May 14th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
http://www.anubis.info/influence-in-egypt.html
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/Anubis.htm
May 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Dmase, Anubis has a tail, but the four toed statue does not. Also, Anubis’s head/mouth is more dog-like while the four toed statue’s head/mouth is more alligator/crocodile-like.
May 14th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
First off, I want to say that this was the best Lost episode so far! I absolutely love and I’d give it a 10 star rating if I could.
I know that a lot of people have already said this, but I just wan’t to say that I agree. Samuel(smoke monster) is bad and Jacob is good. The fake “Locke” is actually the smoke monster. The smoke monster has been known to come in the form of dead people. I had a feeling all along that that that this new Locke was really the smoke monster. When Jacob told Ben, “What about you?”, I think he did that not to be mean but to get Ben to kill him so he can be a sacrifice. If you noticed he just stood there and let Ben stab him.
I don’t believe that the ’77 losties changed anything. I aggree with Miles, this whole nuke thing was part of the incident. Now I think that [without Juliet] they will be transported back to 2007. I think that is what Jacob meant when he said, “They’re coming.”
May 14th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Just had a thought that isn’t totally related but needs answering. Is the person who falls past the window in ‘Numbers’ episode in season 1 Locke? Hurley is talking to his accountant and then someone falls past the window if you can’t remember. We also see Locke falling again this episode so who knows!
This episode in general was just really good. It is just going to screw with my mind. Maybe he pushed the plane with Boone in as well.
May 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
what is it jacob was putting together at the beggining was that the the ra prophecy by any chance???
May 14th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I think this God is more what Dmase is looking for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek
I loved the episode. Was not disappointed in the least. Is that is all of Locke’s Story? It is pretty sad life he had if it is. Is Locke 2.0 Smokey? I am assuming that whomever Jacob’s counterpart on the beach is he has been acting as Locke since their return to the island. He set John up to kill himself off so he could impersonate him long enough to goad Ben into killing Jacob for him. Is Christian Shepard on Locke 2.0′s side too? Where was Christian’s body? I think Sayid & Juliet are toast. Unless the flash sends everyone’s consciousness forward in time [not their bodies like Desmond in his experience of turning the fail safe key. and they enter their own bodies in 2004 and Desmond by some strange coincidence is able to return to the island in 2004 and help everyone find their constant [Juliet and Sawyer find each other again just like Dez and Penny]. That would all hinge on Desmond though and that seems a stretch [although a version of Desmond would be on the island in 2004 and Daniel said Desmond was unique.] This would also bring a rebooted John Locke 1.0 back to life [as well as a host of other 815ers]. The whole set up now feels like a game even more than it did before [the mentioning of rules and loop holes, dark and light]. The pairings such as Jacob and Locke 2.0 and the use of the loophole, Widmore and Ben and the changing if the rules, Jack and Locke [I wonder what their game changer is?] and everyone one of these parings still has to answer to the island. It seems as though everything is happening over and over, just over many generations [same game different pieces on the board]. Juliet living after falling down the hole I can attribute to the island not being done with her until she had done what it needed her to do. Can’t wait for the home stretch next year. I have a gut feeling Hurley is the game changer, guess we’ll see?
May 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
A lot of people still seem to assume that the smoke monster was alex and echo’s brother because they were around just before or after smoke monster appearances. But now we know that this nemesis of jacob’s can appear as dead people, I think it’s pretty obvious that those people were him.
I think the smoke monster is separate from jacob and the nemesis. It seems to judge people on a different scale to how you would imagine the nemesis judging people.
One of the best episodes ever. Of all of television.
May 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
What I don’t get is that, if Richard is so protective of the island, why are him and Ellie agreeing to help Jack blow the place up?
May 14th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Thanks for your help guys. I guess since we don’t have the complete picture yet–and won’t until the series finale (theres gotta be another huge suprise coming)–I can’t really think of the earlier Lost episodes as meaningless.
I guess if you think of the whole lost story as a puzzle, all the pieces are necessary but now that I’ve seen a glimpse of what the big picture is going to be the pieces i put together at the start of the puzzle interest me less.
Still—-lost kicks ass!! Haha I totally thought Al Trautwig was gonna be right for a second and Whidmore was going to be in the box when they first revealed it was a body in the box…..but then I was blown away by it being locke.
I feel bad for Locke, he was manipulated his entire life and now he’s dead as dead can be for certain. He never achieved enlightenment. Thats a really sad story.
Unless……Didn’t new Locke say “I remember dying.” If Smokey is playing Locke now and the real locke is dead, then either Smokey is simply playing the part when he says “I remember dying” or something else. But maybe new Locke is also really Locke and he doesnt know that a dead version of himself is in the box.
I guess theres two options: either new Locke is being played by whoever (smokey/samuel/jacobs nemesis) or new Locke is real and he’s unaware that theres two versions of himself.
May 14th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
So completely random…No use to this post, but I just saw Jacob on CSI. Lol…
May 14th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Crazy coincidence…I’m still watching CSI and Libby is on the show too! And Jacob and Libby were making out! Unfortunately in this one Mark Pelligrino’s, Jacob, character name is Bruno…but I still thought it was a weird coincidence
May 14th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
I agree with most of you guys; this finale was different but still amazing.
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The ending, while more akin to Season 1′s cliffhanger (the opened hatch) instead of game changers like Season 3′s and 2′s (We have to go back! and the failsafe), really gives season 6 the oppurtunity to be anything. I have no idea what happens next (Eloise
Details:
the jacob flashbacks were great and im sure they mean something. someone has already pointed this out but he touched everyone he met… hmmmm
I really liked the emotional moments: rose and bernard, miles saving his dad, juliet and sawyer
as well as the hidden secrets: the passageway beneath what will be ben’s dharma house, and of course jacob calmly reading the O’Flannery book when Locke falls from the sky.
Jacob and his adversary’s (Esau??) battle dwarfs everything we’ve seen so far; Ben and Widmore look just like pawns now (but I know ben will end up being important, just a feeling of mine)
and the losties in the 70′s… they could go anywhere now, i honestly have no idea. i hope sayid makes it but i cant make any predictions. and, in traditional lost style, anything we come up with could be dashed with Desmond arriving as a variable and “changing things.”
alright goodnight losties! we’ll make it to 2010 together brothas.
favorite quote: “I guess it just needed a little push…” ~Jacob
May 14th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Another random : Jacob is Rita’s ex husband in Dexter season 1
May 15th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Wait, have you all noticed? The BIGGEST shocker of them all??
Al Trautwig was right about something! He kept spewing about how all of this was just part of a bigger game. He kept mentioning a game and how all of the characters were just pieces in the game.
What the hell? Since when does Al make sense?
May 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Hmmmm … when the show is about “good” and “evil” and that you can always choose between both sides … Do you remember the foto of Eloise Hawking on the desk of the scottish monk? When Desmond already has chosen his side then “the rules” don’t apply for him. Or is there any other (main) character on the show who has chosen his or her side already? Seems they all struggle with something, right? That makes Desmond so special.
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May 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
@ Aaron D:
Ha ha ha! Well said. That’s hilaarious!
Although I have enjoyed getting twisted up all season over the time travel and destiny ideas, i’m kind of looking forward to the end of it.
The producers said that season finales and following season openers are always a joined story, like a bridge or even a huge episode split up.
So my guess for season six is that the theme will be of uncovering island mysteries, it’s crazy history and that the Black Rock/Alpert connection will ne made early. Rather than more backstory/forwardstory of the main characters.
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May 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
The eye that opens in the end credits is Locke’s.
May 15th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I hope Jack’s line to Richard saying about Locke “If I were you, I wouldn’t give up on him” is the writers telling us not to give up on him. I am totally bummed that it wasn’t the real John Locke. But it wouldn’t be a Lost finale if we didn’t think Locke was dead.
May 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Cheapy, I didn’t see this eye opening, does anyone have this posted somewhere?
Season 6 premiere will more than likely give us the name of the guy in black. This will help many people theorize the full story. For example, if it is a reference to the first testament bible, about Jacob and his brother, then we can look for parallels between that and Lost. People are doing that now, but it is still just speculation until we actually know his name.
If they are referencing the bible it is 99.9% chance that they are using something from the old testament that can relate to Jews, Christians, Muslims; any religion that have the old testament as part of their faith. Anything from the new testament, exclusively to the Torah or the Quran, would not be used since they would be alienating a large portion of viewers.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
@commandojay
You can see the video and screencaps of the eye opening here:
http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2009/05/lost-season-6-first-official-promo.html
May 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I dont think Locke is being possessed by the Smoky or the Nemesis of jacob. This is what i think:
The locke we are seeing now , what many of you are calling the evil locke could be locke fom another Time.
The nemesis if jacob might have met locke and shown him his fate the one that was going to be if he acted according to Jacobs plans. Which as we saw was ben killing him and locke dieing as a sad story with no enlightenment.
Considering how Locke believes anyone when he sees something extra ordinary he must have agreed to the nemesis (Who is as much a part of the Island as much as Jacob is ). From the beginning we have seen John’s concern for the Island. Even now he killed Jacob only to protect the Island.
I base my assumption/theory that Locke is still the same locke, just from another time and is following Jacob’s nemesis for a change on the following
- Locke is surprised when ben tells him about how the smoke monster warned him to follow locke.
- Locke doesnt know where Jacob lives and asks Richard to show him.
- Locke knows every aspect of his old life until the point of his death.
- We’ve already seen people existing as two people in the same time ex with Miles and Locke himself.
What do you guys think of this? Could Locke be from another time?
May 15th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Locke from a different time doesn’t seem right. I base this on the conversation that Jacob and Black shirt on the beach:
Black Shirt: “Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you.”
Jacob: “Yes”
Black Shirt: “Sooner or later I am going to find a loop hole, my friend.”
Jacob: Well, “When you do I will be right here.”
Black Shirt: “Always nice talking to you Jacob.”
Jacob: “Nice talking to you too.”
and then the conversation between Locke 2.0 and Jacob at the end:
Locke 2.0: “Hello Jacob.”
Jacob: “You found your loop hole.”
Locke 2.0 “Indeed I did… and you have no idea what I’ve gone through to be here.”
Ben: “Have you two met before.”
Locke 2.0 “In a manner of speaking.”
This says to me that Locke 2.0 is Black Shirt in a Locke guise, not a different Locke.
I am leaning toward Black Shirt being able to change appearance, maybe even being the smoke monster.
This would allow him to scan people much like we have seen with Eko and Juliet. Maybe it scanned John back in Season 1 when it almost took him. Maybe smokey can not only see past events, but a person’s whole life from beginning to end. maybe all of these events have happened before on a loop like Faraday said and Black Shirt finally figured out which “Loop” he could make a “Hole” in. I think he manipulates Ben by using the smoke monster or maybe Black Shirt was Alex [Locke 2.0 WAS off camera]. I think he knows Ben would kill Locke again in a heartbeat so he threatens him and later feigns surprise at his admitting he must follow him [Locke 2.0] or essentially die. I think he doesn’t march straight to Jacob because he knows some of the rules and does not want to tip his hand to Richard, thus we take the fake sojourn. Maybe Black shirt has manipulated Ben since he was a kid. Everyone wonders why Alpert looked different when we first see him with Ben as a kid, maybe this was Locke 2.0 even back then setting things in motion to for this eventual outcome.
May 15th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
I posted this on another board but it got taken over by idiot children so I’m gonna re-post it here and see if anyone has any thoughts…
I’ve been thinking about Jacob and his Nemesis and suddenly an interesting parallel came to mind. Trekkies on the board….remember TOS episode by Richard Matheson called “The Enemy Within” where Kirk is split into two halves by the transporter – one “good” one “evil?” Anyway, Evil half wants very badly to kill Good half, but if it succeeded in doing so, the question was: could both survive? “Can half a man live?”
I am now wondering if perhaps this is the case with Jacob and Nemesis. Maybe the reason the man in black was not given a name is because he IS Jacob. They both are! Just like Kirk was two halves. And perhaps the “loophole” was that Evil Jacob found a way to kill his good half and survive when before this would not have been possible?
Also, every time I see that ring of volcanic ash around the cabin I remember Darlton saying that the island’s dormant volcano would be important, and I also think of the Winchester boys on Supernatural. Clearly something was imprisoned there and that something got out. Thoughts?
May 15th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
ABC.com’s official recap of the episode confirmed the statue is of Taweret. http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648
May 16th, 2009 at 12:12 am
remember episode 12 . where ben wanted to be judged… there was this part where he tried to summon the monster from his secret door .. went through a narrow tunnel leading to a puddle of water… pulled the plug and said ” i’ll see you outside” .. ben and sun was on the porch having a conversation then suddenly movements on the bushes … Ben immediately told sun to go inside because he was anticipating smokey to appear … then… Lock 2.0 showed up … well.. smokey didn’t show up because he was too busy being John.. lol! this are just my thoughts though. cant wait for the next season… Towards the end.. in the temple scene.. when ben was being “judged” Locke was nowhere to be found.. then right after smokey left… poof! along came john.. i guess this really was planned out by jacob’s nemesis “esau “…making ben feel guilty at the same time influencing him as well …
May 16th, 2009 at 3:15 am
Why doesn’t Jacob’s nemesis kill Jacob himself? He says at the beginning of the episode, “Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you”? Why does he have to have Ben do it?
May 16th, 2009 at 9:55 am
The book Jacob was reading when Locke jumped out the window:
http://www.amazon.com/Everything-That-Rises-Must-Converge/dp/0374504644
May 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The eye is definitely Jack’s, and the statue is now way Anubis or Osiris, this thing has a croc head dudes! Guessed this one a while back but stoked I was right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret and was later known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mut. Makes a lot of sense
May 17th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Oh my goodness, how am I going to survive the next 9 months!!!??? That episode was so incredible– it gave us enough information to satisfy us and to make us speculate about what this whole show means. I totally loved how it was Jacob-centric I didn’t see that coming. I have so many theories, I don’t even know how to share them!
Anyway, that episode was perfect, except for one thing: why wasn’t Desmond in the finale? Is his story done on the show now? When Penny went to see him in the hospital, was that it? But when I rewatched the season 4 finale (with commentary by Damon and Carlton) yesterday, they said that the end of season 4 was “by no means the end for Desmond and Penny.” So do you think he will be back for season 6, or is that it? Well, if it is, at least he lived and had a happy ending.
I can’t wait for Season 6!
May 17th, 2009 at 3:43 am
If this turns out to be some biblical – god vs. the devil crap – I will never watch another abc show again as long as I live. 5 years I’ll never get back.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:30 am
@Ben’s Constant: Good call with the ashes beeing a prison for someone/something. Illana and her crew were also shocked at this, remember? Who broke that ash-line in the first place? was it John Locke? I can’t remember…
How come Illana and Richard (and Bram) all know that they are recruited by Jacob (at least I think so) and everyone else (losties) are kept in the dark searching for answers themselves? Have Illana and Richard also been through a “test” to become recruits of Jacob? maybe this is what is happening to the Losties, they are put through this test to see which side they choose.
Also @The Swami: I believe that the nemesis cannot kill Jacob because those are the rules, they must use the “pawns” to influence them to do what they want but they cannot change anything themselves. Free will and all that.
It’s all getting a liiiittle too religous for my taste… still a great episode and a fantastic season.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am
@ Sandamtodd:
That’s certainly as definitive as this show gets. So hats off to you and hopefully Anad agrees.
@ FuzzyandPhil:
Well spotted! That certainly makes the statue Tawaret. Does anyone think that it’s also very inaccurate? I mean, Tawaret should have the body of a naked pregnant woman!
@ Rush:
The only problem with that idea is that it doesn’t account for the Locke2.0 on Hydra island. It seems apparent now that the Locke under the blanket and confidently at Ben’s side when he awakes is the new Locke too!
@ the swami:
Yeah, Black Shirt Guy clearly can’t kill Jacob himself. Looking at the clothes they wear and the conversation they have, they’ve been on the island for quite a while (if not eternally!). Surely he could’ve found a way to kill Jacob himself.
It is popular opinion that the “loophole” he mentioned was convincing someone else to kill Jacob!
@ spender:
What i’m wondering now is “does it matter”. If the statue was Anubis or Tawaret or whatever, what difference would it make? Because either way, it’s an inaccurate portrayal. So i’m thinking that the point is that people were on the island a long time ago, ancient Egypt kind times!
Also note that although we don’t know the Nemesis’s name, Jacob is not an Egyptian name – sounds like old testament to me!
We then went on to see some greek writing in Jacob’s studio apartment.
(Ricardus is Latin, so maybe he’s originally from Italy. But that’s probably not as relevant!)
@ teco:
This is what’s leaving a bad taste in the mouth. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the show and this crazy season has been more than entertaining. But if it all turns out that the Losties are meaningless pawns for jacob and his mate, there will be some very p*ssed-off fans.
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May 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I personally loved it, I haven’t screamed at the TV and cried as much as I did throughout those episodes. It made me laugh, cry, it shocked me, it made me think. I loved it! Feel sad for Locke though, I hope somehow he still ends up being special. I noticed he seemed a bit evil since being “resurrected”, but now we know he wasn’t at all. It was so sad when Juliet fell into the hole.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Oh my god, this was the best episode ever, how i am i going to survive the next 9 months without new episodes of lost! I loved it, i watched it twice on sunday night, i was so upset when Juliet died! I Love LOST! Its the only thing i watch on TV!!!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 7:40 am
what about Walt?? who was use his body??? I don’t think John locke is dead. at least his body didn’t vanished like Jack’s father!!!! and I think Walt, will be the key of next season.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Wow, just reading the above 120 comments gets my mind going. But everyone has their own opinion, though as we count the months and when we hit the final loop hole, these opinions may mean nothing. But thanks to the awesome writers, hopefully this won’t happen. From me though, every one on lost, better not be dead, or even Juliet for that matter. If they do, I think I might cry. Scream. And cry again.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:15 am
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