Episode 5.15 “Follow The Leader”
Official synopsis: Jack and Kate are at odds over the direction to take to save their fellow island survivors, and Locke further solidifies his stance as leader of “The Others.”
Written by: Paul Zbyszewski & Elizabeth Sarnoff.
Directed by: Stephen Williams.
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May 6th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
holy crap hes gonna kill jacob but how can you kill someone you cant see . the island must of told him to . what a great episode
May 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
kill jacob?! blasphemy!!
May 6th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
what was that? that wass different I love it
except the episode really didnt grab much interest at first
May 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
John Locke rock Lost tonight ……awesome ep. that is tbe best so far… Go ahead Locke…Kill him..we follow you …lol
May 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Excellent episode. It’s great how every finale has an exodus.
BTW, Radzinsky sounds a lot like Obama when he interrogates Sawyer, lol.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
The story, characters, and dialogue get increasingly better each week, but unfortunately, we have to deal with absolutely abysmal CGI graphics. My word, that submarine was horrendous and served to significantly un-immerse me from this story. Anyways, hopefully Star Trek nails it and JJ can throw some cash our way. What a fantastic episode!
May 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Holy Jesus, I love it. Although everytime I see Radzinsky I really just wanna place the gun and pull the trigger for him, but oh well, maybe him offing himself will be the big finale
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What other eps have these people written/directed? It was very well done, although I could tell there was a different feel to it.
10/10
May 6th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
This season is amazing. I’m starting to worry about John a little bit, but usually he knows what he’s doing. I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS FINALE!!
May 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I really liked this episode and it didn’t really seem like it was just setting up for the finale. I’m really starting to like Richard a lot more, and Phil’s a jerk for punching Juliet. I really hope Sawyer kills him.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
I didnt get the part with where they put the hydrogen bomb…Eloise said she put it where the Dharma people now live…but since they cant reach it above ground…they used tunnels underground? Have we seen these tunnels..or are these the tunnels that smokey gets by..or is it just a specific tunnel for the bomb?
So…I had a feeling that the info locke was getting about his whereabouts in time…and what he did when ben summoned the monster was actually him communicating with Jacob…but now i think he’s getting all this info from someone in the future. Someone in the future told Locke that Jacob is going to do something bad in the future…so he’s gonna try and kill him… or that he’s talking to dead people on the island…like Christian Shepard. Since Locke is sort of undead…it would be easy for him to get with Shepard.
So, the writers are trying to make me think Locke is bad…but I’m not falling for it. Like Hurley said in a past season episode ( I think!), he would trust Locke on his life, as I would.
Oh ya…and when Widmore and Eloise were talking about going to the bomb with jack and kate…Widmore grabbed Eloise’s stomach most likely indicating that she was pregnant.
The part with the ship in a bottle was pretty cool too…it’s like a metaphor for how a random ship is in the middle of a mysterious island…you wonder how it got there..then you have a ship inside a glass bottle…you wonder how it got there…
May 6th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Locke’s got balls. He’s going to kill Jacob? That whole speech to the Others had me wanting to go with him and help. And I’m suddenly wondering if Richard has ulterior motives and is using the Others (and their rotating cast of leaders) for his own purposes. His exchange with Ben suggested that acting like a leader wasn’t what they’d planned for their leader to do.
My prediction: I bet we see Jacob by the end of the finale. I mean, really SEE him. And I bet he’s not who Locke expects him to be. (My money has long been on either Jack or Sawyer since “Jacob” sounds like Jack, and Jacobus is the Latin for James. But we’ll see.)
May 6th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Listen:
Locke is the Smoke Monster. Whenever a dead body comes to the Island, the Smoke Monster takes it over. The Smoke Monster controlled Christian Shephard, and told Locke to move the Island. It knew that this would eventually kill Locke. The Smoke Monster has now become the leader of the Others. The War that Widmore talked about is between Jacob and the Smoke Monster. The SM is trying to kill Jacob, to end a feud that has lasted a thousand years. Of course, it won’t succeed, and Season 6 will be about their epic battle. Who will follow Locke and the Smoke Monster? Who will follow Richard Alpert and Jacob? Who will explain Libby and the mental hospital? I can’t wait for Season 6!
May 6th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
every season has like a group its about 1 had losties 2 had tailies 3 had others 4 had kahana and 5 had dharma what will 6 have maybe black rock crew
May 6th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
If the smoke moster wanted to kill Jacob it probably already did… Remember Christian with Claire in Jacob’s cabin?
I am so in shock after this episode. It was amazing!!! Can’t wait for next week, however it’s bitter sweet… In seven days, we’ll be done with LOST for at least eight months…
Widmore and Ben seem so small now, they are nothing but pawns…
May 6th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
I like your theory on locke with the smoke monster..it could explain the white line around jacobs house to keep the smoke monster out..but when locke was in the cabon in season 3…jacob said: “help me” so..i think locke isnt in cahoots with the smoke monster. Also, Jacob has been wanting to meet Locke for a very long time…I think Ben said that in season 3. It’s weird how scared Richard and Ben are of Jacob…we’ve seen Jacob do some pretty cool stuff…like shaking the cabin and moving the chair…and somehow throwing Ben against the wall. We also hear that he cured Juliet’s sister, Rachel, of cancer. All these things are weird…but Ben and Richard are surprised at Locke being reborn. Maybe Jacob needs Locke but is afraid of him too.
May 6th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
@shpilo how can locke be the smoke monster if lock was standing in the water when he was resurrected the producers have said that smokey cant go on the beach or in water
May 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Great Epi! Best of the season!
Lost just Rocks!
May 7th, 2009 at 12:09 am
john locke is epicsauce
May 7th, 2009 at 12:24 am
Why doesn’t Richard ever look any older? Everyone else that IS NOT doing time travel ages, but Richard looks the same. Am I the only one noticing this?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:04 am
ugh didn’t like this one. Probably ’cause I’m *gasp* NOT a Locke fan. And this whole “we can fix things by blowing ourselves up” doesn’t make sense. And why did Eloise first say they’d have to go back to dharmaville and then was like, k nvm, just go through this tunnel that takes us right to it.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:08 am
Trust me swami, you’re not the only one who notices this. I’ve been wondering this since Cabin Fever in season 4 because we see him back in the 50′s when Locke is born and then it doesn’t look like he’s aged a bit when they cut back to the island. I think that next season we definitely deserve a Richard flashback episode…But it might need be like 2 hours because I’m sure there’s a lot to tell.
And Sam, they swim through the hole that leads them to the tunnels that leads them to the bomb under Dharmaville.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Swami… haha come on man you joking right? That subject has been beat to death. Even in this episode, Ben said Richard has been here “a long long time”
The consensus seems to be that hes something mystical/egyptian God/supernatural and the reason for that thought is BECAUSE he never ages, but thats been debated to death, so on to what matters…
Ok….. took me a while to think of it too but, IS EVERYONE FORGETTING WHAT DEATH HAS DONE TO PEOPLE INVOLVING JACOB (Locke, Christian, etc…). Everyone got all kahoots about John saying he was going to kill him, as I did also, but I just put a couple odd ends together so heres what I think.
Obviously theres something fishy about Richard/Ben and the fact John knows Ben had never seen Jacob but only pretended to. When Ben and Richard say Locke is going to be trouble, my first thought was omg they have their own agenda going on here. Ben doesn’t even know jacob, yet used him, as richard did as well, as justification for their actions. Locke, it seems, can finally speak with the island/Jacob. If Richard and Ben have truly been following Jacob’s orders, they wouldnt question Locke at all. They would aid him in any way possible because they know what its like to be Jacobs messenger. However, they dont know jacob, and instead they realize John can talk to him and that their con is about to be up. You can ask then well why was Richard so eager to make Locke their leader in the first place? I think this is because, before his ressurection, Locke was a tool who would fall in line like all the other “Leaders” before him because he would actually take orders from Richard. Now he is a puppet no longer and that scares Richard and Ben.
Now on to Locke killing Jacob… What if this isn’t a bad thing like we all think it is? What if by “killing” Jacob John is actually saving him. We have only heard Jacob say “Help Me” to John. JACOB IS IN TROUBLE. Something is wrong and he is somehow contained by these wannabe leaders a la Richard & co. Perhaps John is going to set him free? When John said he was going to kill Jacob, this seemed to scare the hell out of Ben even more than going to see Jacob so… thats my thought.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:54 am
wow!
I can’t wait to get this episode on itunes tomorrow!
We have Jack trying the change the future…
WHAT if Locke is also trying to change the future…making sure it stays safe for when Jack meets up with him(if they ever meet up, I am beginning to think they wont meet up..anytime soon)
I dare Locke to kill Jacob…
We have Richard helping in both times.
we kind of know what will happen as a result of Richard helping Jack(in 1977). my question is how did Richard survive, if everyone”supposedly”died.
we are unsure of what will happen with Richard helping Locke in 2007.
I wonder did everyone(Kate,Juliet,Sawyer,Jack,Sayid,Hurley,Jin, Miles,Dr,Chang) end up leaving the island..back in 1977?
Was Kate,Juliet,Sawyer able to convince Jack not to blow up jughead?
Can’t wait!
May 7th, 2009 at 2:14 am
P.S
…I think will have to be on Kate’s team with this decision…They can’t blow up the hatch..There is still “too” much work to do.. I am not sure what it is…but..if they “land” L.A..then we will never know. I think all this is an obstacle/test if you will.
For a second, I thought Sawyer really wanted leave the island,I loved the scene with him looking at the island(is it was his last time), but something tells me he wants to stay.
What happened to “live together, die alone”
It looks like team Kate will uphold that pact that was made so long ago..
May 7th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Coooool episode. My favorite of this season so far I think. John Locke, the only legend of Lost!
May 7th, 2009 at 4:09 am
Problem, there is a big problem.
The Compass. Right in this episode richard gives the compass he received in 1954 back to john at the camp. richard says “yeah, its a little rusty” later on we relive a scene from 5×01 “Because You Left” but this time it appears for some reason john gives the compass to richard. we clearly here john say “he gave richard his compass back” now if he gave richard his compass back how in the hell has he got that same compass to give to richard back in 1954. i say the writers have messed this one up. what was supposed to happen was richard give the compass to john in the bullit scene not the camp scene. and then to say that “he gave richard his compass back” just doesent make sence to me. i have watched “Because You Left” “Jughead” and “Follow The Leader” twice today.It appears to be a big mistake my the writers. its crazy how can this happen. i am gutted. it has runied the whole time travel thing for me. gutted. cant belive i am the only person that has spotted this. or am i wrong.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Jackisjacob: The writers didn’t mess this up. Lock answered Ben’s question: Where did you go? with “to give Richard his compass back” – referring to 1954.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:10 am
Maybe this is me reading it totally wrong but I disagree with what a lot of peeps have said about the whole Locke Jacob thing. Jacob told locke to ‘help’ him, maybe Jacob WANTS to die.
Locke does seemed to have changed and as pointed out before the writers obviously want us to be suspicious of him, but I do think it’s the real locke, and he will bring Jack, Sawyer etc back to the….present :S
I was a little dissopointed with the ep overall because Wiki told me it was an Alpert-centred ep
I know I can’t mention the trailer for next week but watch it, it raises some interesting questions about the whereabouts of some of the losties
May 7th, 2009 at 5:36 am
What about … Jacob’s “real” body is dead for some time already. But he still exists or better his spirit. That is why nobody can see him. He needs a new body and asks John “to help him” (the same principle came up in the Stargate-movie with James Spader).
John comes back to the island as a dead person and Jacob started to take over the body step by step. That is the reason why John just simply knows things he did not know before. The whole cycle can be stated as “resurrection” … something that the old egypts have believed in. That would mean, John and Jacob are somehow the same person. And if you look at the very short scene when John and Jacob met in the cabin before … you can see Jacob for 1/2 sec. and somehow he looks like John just with hair.
I still think the whole show is a mindgame. People can never pysically travel through time because time does not exist (Einstein). But their or our thougts can travel and imagine lots of stuff in the past. And when you travel back in your “time” and fix certain situations then you feel better in your “present time”. Right? ;o)
May 7th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Jonine from Arizona – I’m with ya on most of that… but as for the live together, die alone credo, the LOST were in now is a far cry from the one we remember only 5 years ago. And by the way… technically:
“What happened to “live together, die alone”
It looks like team Kate will uphold that pact that was made so long ago..”
technically… it wasnt so long ago
technically… the pact wont be made for another 27 years
jackisjacob – Calm down man! No need to panic! No time discrepancys there! When Ben asked John where he went, he was refering to the bullet-in-leg John Locke that just dissapeared in front of Richard. 2007-John had just asked Richard to bring the compass with them and then explained to him to go heal his leg, take the bullet out, give him the compass, and tell him he has to die. When Locke answered “to give richard his compas back”, he was telling Ben that the bullet-in-leg Locke just dissapeared traveling through time to eventually give Richard his compass back once he meets him in camp in 1954. It was more of a rethorical answer that kind of only made sence to himself. A Quip if you will.
Matt – That first part… that would be idea jacking!
As for Locke, I think it is the real Locke, I just think he has been enlightened by the island, he has learned all the secretes, he can talk to the island, and he now knows hes basically bulletproof because the island keeps bringing him back every time anything happens.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:50 am
@Marvin
I absolutley LOVE that idea about Jacob using Locke for his body :S (u kno wot i mean) and I like the idea that gradually its happening, i.e. with him being in communication with the island…Looking at christian Shep, he doesnt seem to be 100% himself to say the least, so maybe something else has taken his body to manifest itself…I think Richie Alpert is going to kick off too. He didn’t seem to like it when locke said he died, or at least he was suprised. Maybe this happened to richard, he died and was brought back, maybe he feel threatened. Maybe Richie died when the Black Rock grashed into the island :S
I didnt really get what you meant with the time travel? so do you think they are imagining all the stuff in 77? sorry if I totally missed the point there.
May 7th, 2009 at 7:39 am
I can’t believe nobody has thought of this yet, but what has happened to poor ol’ Rose and Bernard? :O will they just die in a cave in the past to become the Adam and Eve we all know? … Seems a cheap copout. Need more info on them.
Oh, and would it be too wild a guess to say that Dr. Chang is actually Jacob which somehow crazily makes Miles hear dead people?
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Probably
May 7th, 2009 at 7:46 am
I have two possible theories:
Jacob doesn’t exist, so John is going to kill the idea of Jacob for everyone, freeing them from this person that they are supposed to be getting orders from. There does exist some sort of spirit of the island, but not Jacob.
Second, which is along the lines of what Marvin said, is that Jacob wants to die. When we heard “Help me” in the cabin makes you think that he is being kept prisoner by some force/people for ulterior motives. Jacob has been imprisoned for so long(thousands of years?) that he just wants to die but not anyone can kill him. This explains why Richard/Ben are worried; Richard always needs an outsider to convince their people that they must follow Jacob. Are the people kept in the dark because maybe they are only there to be used as sacrifices to the island? Now I am going off track…
May 7th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Sam if u didnt like this one you shouldnt watch lost
May 7th, 2009 at 8:36 am
I think Rose and Bernard are with the second group of others in the temple. I think there will be more people we recognize at the temple with them
May 7th, 2009 at 8:54 am
lol. yeah he did, love it all the same. now just need to know where the hell the compass came from. i still think jacob exits. infact i am now more sure its jack as i keep watching. maybe jack gets too close to the energy and has an effect on him becoming jacob. come on why else would his family hang out in the cabin. plus we all no jack is the be all of the show. when john realisies jack is jacob he will be clashing with the man he has the whole series. jack is jacob people, jack is jacob
May 7th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Jack cannot be Jacob since Jacob has been existing since 1954 “Jughead” Locke came to Richard saying he was send by Jacob. Unless Jack with the bomb travels way back in time and becomes Jacob which I dont think will happen.
I agree with both theories of commandojay.
and about Rose and Bernarnd this was my theory the whole time:
Remember guys when they group where jumping tru time… when they saw the ajira bottles and the boats that was 2007! i think that Bernard, Rose and the 815 people somehow stopped the moving tru time and they are in th 2007. how? (maybe before the next flash happened they encounter the temple and there the flashes didnt affected them. or maybe the island didnt choose them to travel tru time any more)
If they are Not the ones in the temple I will demand some GOOD explanation!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I’m with commandojay…
Locke knows that Jacob (or the Spirit of Jacob) is being held prisoner on the Island and that Richard is in on it. Ben and Richard have been in cahoots for a long time and Locke is going to expose their charade to the entire tribe. I believe that Richard was one of the crew members of the Black Rock and has managed to live this long on the Island by somehow keeping Jacob under his control. Although Ben claims that Richard functions as an adviser, Richard has been controlling things behind the scenes all along – Richard is the man behind the curtains. Remember – he didn’t answer to Charles and Eloise but he allows them to think that he does.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:17 am
that is a good theory, but jacob is going to be someone we already know. its clear as day. i think jack or desmond is a big poss. its got to be the big final twist of the season. who is jacob. and remember we dont no nothing about jacob to rule anybody out. first three letters of jack and jacob. is jac. his family lives in the cabin. jack must have a equal or greater roll then locke. theres no way that jack is not the main player, he always has been, or at least on par with john. i think its very clear. jack will somehow become this greater figure, if not in the incident then another way. and it wasent confirmed that jacob was there in 1954 locke just said “jacob sent me” but i think jack/jacob has been around since the beginning . i would bet my home on it
May 7th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Was anyone else disappointed with where they took Sawyer in this episode? It seemed like all the work they’ve done to make him more likeable just went away with the ” Good Riddance ” line. Any feedback?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I think that Horace building the cabin must have something to do with who lives there. I know he says it’s for his family but is the dream Locke has a complete fabrication and Horace was just one of Smokey’s visions? Also where is Jacob before the cabin is built?
Also I liked that when the island was flashing it went to the future. I think this may have been the only time that it did. I’m not too sure. Was it for a reason? Like to show that the future still existed or something.
I seriously don’t think that Jack can change the future. If he fails though I don’t know what they will do for the 6th season. Obviously the next episode will set up season 6 in some way. I cannot wait.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Doesn’t the fact that none of the survivors ever has a curious word about the writing in the underground island world ? I’ve never seen 1 person even glance at the fancy scribbling..
May 7th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
whoops….I did mean to say “doesn’t the fact that none of the survivors ever commented about the writing in the under ground island world seem strange” ?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Kate has her own agenda of not wanting to erase the past, because she was heading to jail. Sawyer was a low life con artist, but like Ben said he is somebody in the island. I don’t blame Jack wanting to erase the past if it means everybody who died will be alive.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Things we’ll prob see in finale:
Jacobs face
What Rose and Bernard are up to
Chang losing his arm
Kate being awful
Juliette being awesome
Locke being confidant/arrogant—>which brings up a good point. is locke now omnipotent or just thinking he is and now he’s out of his league. at the start of follow the leader I def had confidence in him, he seems like he knows everything now. but towards the end I was starting to feel a little iffy, like john thought he knew what he was talking about but he really didn’t, and we all know what happens to john when he gets too high—he falls out an 8 story building:)
@kiddi: Kate def has her own motivation I agree. Also Jack is full of bs, a lot of good things happened because 815 crashed like sawyer not being an a-hole, rose getting cancer cured, sun and jin not sucking anymore, etc.
Jack’s life would be smooth sailing if 815 lands but not for everyone else, for a lot of people 815 crashing was a good thing
May 7th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I agree with the comment about the budget issues involving the CG shots of the sub..Also, I wonder if the subs designer ever saw a submarine docked ? A real submarine shows much more than just the escape hatch above water.. The entire sub, stem to stern rises above the water..Also, how can we believe all the women children and the crew could fit into this ‘mini’ sub in the evacuation ?? OK OK I’m nit picking !!
May 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I still believe in the “Whatever happened, happened” theory. However I believe it is still possible for Jack to ignite the H Bomb but that will be the thing that will unleash the energy not the drilling.
I mean if he could change the future by blowing up the bomb he’d still die now just his un-born self(or very young self) will grow up and not crash on the island making it pointless to his present self. But then he would never go the island, go back in time and stop the incident meaning his plane would crash, he would go back and stop it meaning he wouldn’t crash and wouldn’t ever go back and stop it. It’s the traditional paradox but I haven’t heard anybody mention it yet. I really hope they don’t change the future. It will ruin the shows logic.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I think the bomb will explode at the same time as the drilling power release. This is basically what Desmond did years later to great effect. No one was killed then either. It will send the Losties hurtling through time though and poof they’ll be sitting on John Locke’s lap!
May 7th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
There’s no way the bomb can explode. This isn’t just some fireball that would take out the swan, we’re talking about a HYDOROGEN BOMB. A device that levels entire cities. There’d be nothing left on the island.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
hydrogen bomb is going to be the incident they are not going to change anything!!!
Jacob is not real and locke is going to kill the idea of him being there!! I know that he heard him in the cabin but what if that was the island not jacob!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Excellent Episode and wonderful thread.
The funniest part was @Swami’s comment about just noticing richard’s agelessness LOL. I’d rather believe he was joking.
Except for the Sub submerging scene i think this episode rocked like most lost episodes.
Richard bitching about John. Dint see that one coming. Now hes on my radar of suspicion.
Finale is going to be absolutely superb.
These are my predictions: (And i hope they are wrong
- The writers might kill Kate.
- With Richard on his side(kind off) Ben might take another shot at john.
- No matter what jack and co do the hatch will be built. How else would they explain so many hatch related mysteries.
- Sawyer is gonna beat Phil to death. And i also think its gonna be sawyer who ultimately kicks Radsinsky’s ass and locks him in the hatch before writing quarantine on the door.
WHat do you guys have to say on my assumptions?
May 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Once again THE BOMB CANNOT BE THE INCIDENT. That is not how things have always happened. There’d be no hatches, no Dharma village, no Black Rock, no anything. It’s a freaking H-Bomb. It will not go off without drastically altering the future.
May 7th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
i mean the bomb would go off at the swan site as they are digging and it would cause the overall incident!!
May 7th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Re: Jacob using Locke’s body…..I’ve thought this ever since he came back and no longer seemed like the Locke we know (great acting by TOQ on that count). I’d go a step further and say that the whole ritual that RA administered to little John and (probably many other kids) was important because Jacob can’t posses just any body. He/It needs a “chosen vessel.” Unwittingly, the Box Man has been manipulated by Jacob ever since he got to the island so that Jacob could take over his body.
When Ben killed him, the reason was that he realized John MIGHT just get back to the island. He had no desire to kill him and talked him down from suicide intentionally, but when he realized that John knew how to get back, Ben knew he had to be stopped to prevent Jacob obtaining his new vessel.
This is why Ben tells RA “I tried.”
May 7th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I totally agree with the fact that Rose and Bernard will be with the temple group. The actors only ever show up at the start and end of the seasons, so it’s most likely where we will see them.
I also have a feeling that Dr chang is still alive in ‘present’ time. Mrs Chang told miles he was dead but how could she know if she left? Maybe she was just too angry about the circumstances on which she left him.
There has always been two ominous figures on the island, Jacob and smokey. And remember under the temple on the wall, there were glyphs of smokey and ?Anubis?. Anyway, could Jacob just be a representation of it?
There is a lot of evidence to suggest jack being Jacob, but I’m not convinced. I think the writers made the names so similar to throw us off.
What if Jacob is… Hurley!!! :O
May 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
why are the graphics so bad now, it’s depressing, they used to impressively impressive!
how do you think juliet, sawyer, and kate are going to end up off of the sub?
May 8th, 2009 at 12:28 am
U know this is kinda random, but if the smoke monster can’t leave the island, how did it talk to Jack at the hospital in the form of Christian?
Unless that was just Jack going crazy. I thought it was the smoke monster because the smoke alarm was going off.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:42 am
The H bomb won’t be going off. Faraday says that The Incident is a release of energy and he must USE the H bomb to NEGATE that energy. Otherwise they will need to incase the energy in cement and push a button every 108 seconds. Siding with WHH, the hatch is built and the energy in contained in the cement just as Faraday described. When Locke decides to not push the button the energy is released. Desmond says he knows what to do, he goes and turns the failsafe to NEGATE the energy. What do we know that can negate the energy? The H BOMB. The H Bomb is the failsafe!
May 8th, 2009 at 4:25 am
if the h bomb is the failsafe how did it not blow up the whole island like you say!!
The H bomb has been leaking it wont be nearly as powerful after 20 something years of leaking
May 8th, 2009 at 4:33 am
@superk15: Yeah that is true, the island or smokie must have some influence over the losties (at least) even “off island” since most of the oceanic six have had either dreams or hallucinations that are too real to dismiss. also Michael was immortal “off island” so the effects of the island is not limited to it.
Regarding this episode i was somewhat disappointed as someone said also that it wasn’t very “Richard Alpert-centric”. sure, he was featured a lot more than usual and we got yet another hint that he is “very, very” old but nothing more than that. Not sure if I want the writers to explain him fully that would ruin the mystery-quality that he has but some sort of background-info would be nice.
Also I agree with the comment someone had about Locke being cool and all-knowing at first and at the end we saw somewhat of a mad man peeking out.
I believe Ben will try to kill him again but Richard will stop him when he himself realises that John is in fact doing this for the good of Island.
Here’s my theory, it’s not a good one or a specific one but I have two ideas on the major outcome of the show.
I believe the show either is all about how the losties are the key to changing the timeloop that has the island and ending it, that they indeed CAN change the future. In that the future has always been the same loop and they break it buy “changing the rules” as said in the show by Ben (I think).
OR
they are just apart of the same loop and everything they do, every attempt at changing the future is in fact exactly what is suppose to happen. example Sayids attempt on Bens life turning him “evil” and Faraday warning Chang so Miles leaves the island. It’s all happend before and will all happen again. it’s a classic timetravel paradox.
Either way it’s going to be a saweet finale I think. with an end and also with a new beginning so that we get a glimpse on what will take place in the last(!!) season.
Excellent…just excellent
May 8th, 2009 at 4:36 am
@Fink: nice one! of course that’s how it is! the H-bomb is the failsafe… clever indeed.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:07 am
The H bomb is the failsafe. That I like. It is either the H-bomb that they have found a way to release the energy safely or they know from Daniel’s notes that it would take something like the energy of an H-BOmb to negate the energy. Or we must realize that the two energies combined may cancel themselves out somehow, or combine to become a different type of energy. We know that the hatch did blow up and blew Desmond so far he went back in time!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:52 am
To further add to my theory: Negating the two energies would not cause an explosion two times as great. The two opposite energies would instead cause an opposite reaction, An Implosion. And we could see that the hatch definitely imploded on itself. Think about it this way: particle colliders. They accelerate particles beyond light speed and smash them together. They will not cause a massive explosion but what scientists hope will be little black holes that will implode on themselves. If that can be used as an example.
So by detonating the bomb you would be smashing these energies together and negating it with an implosion not an explosion.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:36 am
The H-Bomb has to be dropped from a height and detonated before landing to maximize it’s explosive potential. This H-Bomb is underground already. Faraday must have discovered that the two energies going off simultaneously would negate each other. This will create a bright light and whoosh the Losties will evaporate. To Richard it would appear that they died but you and I know that they are being sent Back to the Future!!!!!
Unfortunately I think Ben is going to die. He is going to save Locke when Richard tries to kill Locke. We are being led to believe that Richard and Ben are conspiring against Locke but ultimately Ben will finally be revealed to be a “good” guy. He will then redeem himself in the eyes of the Island/Alex.
They already gave us the shot at Kate which turned out to be Sayid shooting the Other. They are not going to kill her again, that would be lame.
May 8th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Hmmmm, (rubs his chin):
1. Anyone elso think Kate quit the Finding Claire Plan awfully casually?? Was all the hullaballoo about giving up Aaron nonsense?
2. Jack and Sayid swam underground into ancient tunnels with heiroglyphs everywhere – and didn’t think of asking about it??
“Yep, I got one of these under my house too… Beavers…”
May 8th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
3. Is the hand-on-tummy the universal sign for pregnant?
May 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Um, yeah.
Unless Jack is Ellie’s Baby-Daddy!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:48 am
GREAT EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
The story, characters, and dialogue get increasingly better each week, but unfortunately, we have to deal with absolutely abysmal CGI graphics. My word, that submarine was horrendous and served to significantly un-immerse me from this story. Anyways, hopefully Star Trek nails it and JJ can throw some cash our way. What a fantastic episode!