GREAT EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um, yeah.

Unless Jack is Ellie's Baby-Daddy!!!

3. Is the hand-on-tummy the universal sign for pregnant?

Hmmmm, (rubs his chin):

1. Anyone elso think Kate quit the Finding Claire Plan awfully casually?? Was all the hullaballoo about giving up Aaron nonsense?

2. Jack and Sayid swam underground into ancient tunnels with heiroglyphs everywhere - and didn't think of asking about it??

"Yep, I got one of these under my house too... Beavers..."

The H-Bomb has to be dropped from a height and detonated before landing to maximize it's explosive potential. This H-Bomb is underground already. Faraday must have discovered that the two energies going off simultaneously would negate each other. This will create a bright light and whoosh the Losties will evaporate. To Richard it would appear that they died but you and I know that they are being sent Back to the Future!!!!!

Unfortunately I think Ben is going to die. He is going to save Locke when Richard tries to kill Locke. We are being led to believe that Richard and Ben are conspiring against Locke but ultimately Ben will finally be revealed to be a "good" guy. He will then redeem himself in the eyes of the Island/Alex.

They already gave us the shot at Kate which turned out to be Sayid shooting the Other. They are not going to kill her again, that would be lame.

To further add to my theory: Negating the two energies would not cause an explosion two times as great. The two opposite energies would instead cause an opposite reaction, An Implosion. And we could see that the hatch definitely imploded on itself. Think about it this way: particle colliders. They accelerate particles beyond light speed and smash them together. They will not cause a massive explosion but what scientists hope will be little black holes that will implode on themselves. If that can be used as an example.
So by detonating the bomb you would be smashing these energies together and negating it with an implosion not an explosion.

The H bomb is the failsafe. That I like. It is either the H-bomb that they have found a way to release the energy safely or they know from Daniel's notes that it would take something like the energy of an H-BOmb to negate the energy. Or we must realize that the two energies combined may cancel themselves out somehow, or combine to become a different type of energy. We know that the hatch did blow up and blew Desmond so far he went back in time!

@Fink: nice one! of course that's how it is! the H-bomb is the failsafe... clever indeed.

@superk15: Yeah that is true, the island or smokie must have some influence over the losties (at least) even "off island" since most of the oceanic six have had either dreams or hallucinations that are too real to dismiss. also Michael was immortal "off island" so the effects of the island is not limited to it.

Regarding this episode i was somewhat disappointed as someone said also that it wasn't very "Richard Alpert-centric". sure, he was featured a lot more than usual and we got yet another hint that he is "very, very" old but nothing more than that. Not sure if I want the writers to explain him fully that would ruin the mystery-quality that he has but some sort of background-info would be nice.

Also I agree with the comment someone had about Locke being cool and all-knowing at first and at the end we saw somewhat of a mad man peeking out.

I believe Ben will try to kill him again but Richard will stop him when he himself realises that John is in fact doing this for the good of Island.

Here's my theory, it's not a good one or a specific one but I have two ideas on the major outcome of the show.

I believe the show either is all about how the losties are the key to changing the timeloop that has the island and ending it, that they indeed CAN change the future. In that the future has always been the same loop and they break it buy "changing the rules" as said in the show by Ben (I think).

OR

they are just apart of the same loop and everything they do, every attempt at changing the future is in fact exactly what is suppose to happen. example Sayids attempt on Bens life turning him "evil" and Faraday warning Chang so Miles leaves the island. It's all happend before and will all happen again. it's a classic timetravel paradox.

Either way it's going to be a saweet finale I think. with an end and also with a new beginning so that we get a glimpse on what will take place in the last(!!) season.

Excellent...just excellent

if the h bomb is the failsafe how did it not blow up the whole island like you say!!
The H bomb has been leaking it wont be nearly as powerful after 20 something years of leaking

The H bomb won't be going off. Faraday says that The Incident is a release of energy and he must USE the H bomb to NEGATE that energy. Otherwise they will need to incase the energy in cement and push a button every 108 seconds. Siding with WHH, the hatch is built and the energy in contained in the cement just as Faraday described. When Locke decides to not push the button the energy is released. Desmond says he knows what to do, he goes and turns the failsafe to NEGATE the energy. What do we know that can negate the energy? The H BOMB. The H Bomb is the failsafe!

U know this is kinda random, but if the smoke monster can't leave the island, how did it talk to Jack at the hospital in the form of Christian?

Unless that was just Jack going crazy. I thought it was the smoke monster because the smoke alarm was going off.

why are the graphics so bad now, it's depressing, they used to impressively impressive!

how do you think juliet, sawyer, and kate are going to end up off of the sub?

I totally agree with the fact that Rose and Bernard will be with the temple group. The actors only ever show up at the start and end of the seasons, so it's most likely where we will see them.
I also have a feeling that Dr chang is still alive in 'present' time. Mrs Chang told miles he was dead but how could she know if she left? Maybe she was just too angry about the circumstances on which she left him.
There has always been two ominous figures on the island, Jacob and smokey. And remember under the temple on the wall, there were glyphs of smokey and ?Anubis?. Anyway, could Jacob just be a representation of it?
There is a lot of evidence to suggest jack being Jacob, but I'm not convinced. I think the writers made the names so similar to throw us off.
What if Jacob is... Hurley!!! :O

Re: Jacob using Locke's body.....I've thought this ever since he came back and no longer seemed like the Locke we know (great acting by TOQ on that count). I'd go a step further and say that the whole ritual that RA administered to little John and (probably many other kids) was important because Jacob can't posses just any body. He/It needs a "chosen vessel." Unwittingly, the Box Man has been manipulated by Jacob ever since he got to the island so that Jacob could take over his body.

When Ben killed him, the reason was that he realized John MIGHT just get back to the island. He had no desire to kill him and talked him down from suicide intentionally, but when he realized that John knew how to get back, Ben knew he had to be stopped to prevent Jacob obtaining his new vessel.

This is why Ben tells RA "I tried."

i mean the bomb would go off at the swan site as they are digging and it would cause the overall incident!!

Once again THE BOMB CANNOT BE THE INCIDENT. That is not how things have always happened. There'd be no hatches, no Dharma village, no Black Rock, no anything. It's a freaking H-Bomb. It will not go off without drastically altering the future.

Excellent Episode and wonderful thread.

The funniest part was @Swami's comment about just noticing richard's agelessness LOL. I'd rather believe he was joking.

Except for the Sub submerging scene i think this episode rocked like most lost episodes.

Richard bitching about John. Dint see that one coming. Now hes on my radar of suspicion.

Finale is going to be absolutely superb.

These are my predictions: (And i hope they are wrong
- The writers might kill Kate.
- With Richard on his side(kind off) Ben might take another shot at john.
- No matter what jack and co do the hatch will be built. How else would they explain so many hatch related mysteries.
- Sawyer is gonna beat Phil to death. And i also think its gonna be sawyer who ultimately kicks Radsinsky's ass and locks him in the hatch before writing quarantine on the door.

WHat do you guys have to say on my assumptions?

hydrogen bomb is going to be the incident they are not going to change anything!!!
Jacob is not real and locke is going to kill the idea of him being there!! I know that he heard him in the cabin but what if that was the island not jacob!!!

There's no way the bomb can explode. This isn't just some fireball that would take out the swan, we're talking about a HYDOROGEN BOMB. A device that levels entire cities. There'd be nothing left on the island.

I think the bomb will explode at the same time as the drilling power release. This is basically what Desmond did years later to great effect. No one was killed then either. It will send the Losties hurtling through time though and poof they'll be sitting on John Locke's lap!

I still believe in the "Whatever happened, happened" theory. However I believe it is still possible for Jack to ignite the H Bomb but that will be the thing that will unleash the energy not the drilling.

I mean if he could change the future by blowing up the bomb he'd still die now just his un-born self(or very young self) will grow up and not crash on the island making it pointless to his present self. But then he would never go the island, go back in time and stop the incident meaning his plane would crash, he would go back and stop it meaning he wouldn't crash and wouldn't ever go back and stop it. It's the traditional paradox but I haven't heard anybody mention it yet. I really hope they don't change the future. It will ruin the shows logic.

I agree with the comment about the budget issues involving the CG shots of the sub..Also, I wonder if the subs designer ever saw a submarine docked ? A real submarine shows much more than just the escape hatch above water.. The entire sub, stem to stern rises above the water..Also, how can we believe all the women children and the crew could fit into this 'mini' sub in the evacuation ?? OK OK I'm nit picking !!

Things we'll prob see in finale:

Jacobs face

What Rose and Bernard are up to

Chang losing his arm

Kate being awful

Juliette being awesome

Locke being confidant/arrogant--->which brings up a good point. is locke now omnipotent or just thinking he is and now he's out of his league. at the start of follow the leader I def had confidence in him, he seems like he knows everything now. but towards the end I was starting to feel a little iffy, like john thought he knew what he was talking about but he really didn't, and we all know what happens to john when he gets too high---he falls out an 8 story building:)

@kiddi: Kate def has her own motivation I agree. Also Jack is full of bs, a lot of good things happened because 815 crashed like sawyer not being an a-hole, rose getting cancer cured, sun and jin not sucking anymore, etc.
Jack's life would be smooth sailing if 815 lands but not for everyone else, for a lot of people 815 crashing was a good thing

Kate has her own agenda of not wanting to erase the past, because she was heading to jail. Sawyer was a low life con artist, but like Ben said he is somebody in the island. I don't blame Jack wanting to erase the past if it means everybody who died will be alive.

whoops....I did mean to say "doesn't the fact that none of the survivors ever commented about the writing in the under ground island world seem strange" ?

Doesn't the fact that none of the survivors ever has a curious word about the writing in the underground island world ? I've never seen 1 person even glance at the fancy scribbling..

I think that Horace building the cabin must have something to do with who lives there. I know he says it's for his family but is the dream Locke has a complete fabrication and Horace was just one of Smokey's visions? Also where is Jacob before the cabin is built?

Also I liked that when the island was flashing it went to the future. I think this may have been the only time that it did. I'm not too sure. Was it for a reason? Like to show that the future still existed or something.

I seriously don't think that Jack can change the future. If he fails though I don't know what they will do for the 6th season. Obviously the next episode will set up season 6 in some way. I cannot wait.

Was anyone else disappointed with where they took Sawyer in this episode? It seemed like all the work they've done to make him more likeable just went away with the " Good Riddance " line. Any feedback?

that is a good theory, but jacob is going to be someone we already know. its clear as day. i think jack or desmond is a big poss. its got to be the big final twist of the season. who is jacob. and remember we dont no nothing about jacob to rule anybody out. first three letters of jack and jacob. is jac. his family lives in the cabin. jack must have a equal or greater roll then locke. theres no way that jack is not the main player, he always has been, or at least on par with john. i think its very clear. jack will somehow become this greater figure, if not in the incident then another way. and it wasent confirmed that jacob was there in 1954 locke just said "jacob sent me" but i think jack/jacob has been around since the beginning . i would bet my home on it :-)

I'm with commandojay...

Locke knows that Jacob (or the Spirit of Jacob) is being held prisoner on the Island and that Richard is in on it. Ben and Richard have been in cahoots for a long time and Locke is going to expose their charade to the entire tribe. I believe that Richard was one of the crew members of the Black Rock and has managed to live this long on the Island by somehow keeping Jacob under his control. Although Ben claims that Richard functions as an adviser, Richard has been controlling things behind the scenes all along - Richard is the man behind the curtains. Remember - he didn't answer to Charles and Eloise but he allows them to think that he does.

Jack cannot be Jacob since Jacob has been existing since 1954 "Jughead" Locke came to Richard saying he was send by Jacob. Unless Jack with the bomb travels way back in time and becomes Jacob which I dont think will happen.
I agree with both theories of commandojay.
and about Rose and Bernarnd this was my theory the whole time:

Remember guys when they group where jumping tru time... when they saw the ajira bottles and the boats that was 2007! i think that Bernard, Rose and the 815 people somehow stopped the moving tru time and they are in th 2007. how? (maybe before the next flash happened they encounter the temple and there the flashes didnt affected them. or maybe the island didnt choose them to travel tru time any more)

If they are Not the ones in the temple I will demand some GOOD explanation!

lol. yeah he did, love it all the same. now just need to know where the hell the compass came from. i still think jacob exits. infact i am now more sure its jack as i keep watching. maybe jack gets too close to the energy and has an effect on him becoming jacob. come on why else would his family hang out in the cabin. plus we all no jack is the be all of the show. when john realisies jack is jacob he will be clashing with the man he has the whole series. jack is jacob people, jack is jacob

I think Rose and Bernard are with the second group of others in the temple. I think there will be more people we recognize at the temple with them :P

Sam if u didnt like this one you shouldnt watch lost

I have two possible theories:
Jacob doesn't exist, so John is going to kill the idea of Jacob for everyone, freeing them from this person that they are supposed to be getting orders from. There does exist some sort of spirit of the island, but not Jacob.
Second, which is along the lines of what Marvin said, is that Jacob wants to die. When we heard "Help me" in the cabin makes you think that he is being kept prisoner by some force/people for ulterior motives. Jacob has been imprisoned for so long(thousands of years?) that he just wants to die but not anyone can kill him. This explains why Richard/Ben are worried; Richard always needs an outsider to convince their people that they must follow Jacob. Are the people kept in the dark because maybe they are only there to be used as sacrifices to the island? Now I am going off track...

I can't believe nobody has thought of this yet, but what has happened to poor ol' Rose and Bernard? :O will they just die in a cave in the past to become the Adam and Eve we all know? ... Seems a cheap copout. Need more info on them.

Oh, and would it be too wild a guess to say that Dr. Chang is actually Jacob which somehow crazily makes Miles hear dead people?
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Probably

@Marvin
I absolutley LOVE that idea about Jacob using Locke for his body :S (u kno wot i mean) and I like the idea that gradually its happening, i.e. with him being in communication with the island...Looking at christian Shep, he doesnt seem to be 100% himself to say the least, so maybe something else has taken his body to manifest itself...I think Richie Alpert is going to kick off too. He didn't seem to like it when locke said he died, or at least he was suprised. Maybe this happened to richard, he died and was brought back, maybe he feel threatened. Maybe Richie died when the Black Rock grashed into the island :S
I didnt really get what you meant with the time travel? so do you think they are imagining all the stuff in 77? sorry if I totally missed the point there.

Jonine from Arizona - I'm with ya on most of that... but as for the live together, die alone credo, the LOST were in now is a far cry from the one we remember only 5 years ago. And by the way... technically:
"What happened to “live together, die alone”
It looks like team Kate will uphold that pact that was made so long ago.."
technically... it wasnt so long ago
technically... the pact wont be made for another 27 years :)


jackisjacob - Calm down man! No need to panic! No time discrepancys there! When Ben asked John where he went, he was refering to the bullet-in-leg John Locke that just dissapeared in front of Richard. 2007-John had just asked Richard to bring the compass with them and then explained to him to go heal his leg, take the bullet out, give him the compass, and tell him he has to die. When Locke answered "to give richard his compas back", he was telling Ben that the bullet-in-leg Locke just dissapeared traveling through time to eventually give Richard his compass back once he meets him in camp in 1954. It was more of a rethorical answer that kind of only made sence to himself. A Quip if you will.


Matt - That first part... that would be idea jacking!
As for Locke, I think it is the real Locke, I just think he has been enlightened by the island, he has learned all the secretes, he can talk to the island, and he now knows hes basically bulletproof because the island keeps bringing him back every time anything happens.

What about ... Jacob's "real" body is dead for some time already. But he still exists or better his spirit. That is why nobody can see him. He needs a new body and asks John "to help him" (the same principle came up in the Stargate-movie with James Spader).
John comes back to the island as a dead person and Jacob started to take over the body step by step. That is the reason why John just simply knows things he did not know before. The whole cycle can be stated as "resurrection" ... something that the old egypts have believed in. That would mean, John and Jacob are somehow the same person. And if you look at the very short scene when John and Jacob met in the cabin before ... you can see Jacob for 1/2 sec. and somehow he looks like John just with hair.
I still think the whole show is a mindgame. People can never pysically travel through time because time does not exist (Einstein). But their or our thougts can travel and imagine lots of stuff in the past. And when you travel back in your "time" and fix certain situations then you feel better in your "present time". Right? ;o)