ok I think Faraday is there but not mentally, like he has gone loopy. Also, about the group picture that was only taken of New Recruits not people already in the DI that is why only Kate, Hurley, and Jack are in it and not Jin, Sawyer etc.

YES! i forget to mention, what did jack mean when he said that daniel faraday WASSS there?! did something happen to him?

Where the hell did Daniel Faraday go?

The time line has to be able to be changed....alex's mom had no idea who jin was during the initial crash and if someone dissappeared in front of me...that would prolly be the only face i ever remember.....and i dont think old ben can talk to little ben.....i think the di ppl are gonna catch onto the lie and someones gonna squeel....prolly jack..or a convo will be overheard...maybe by ben...i think ben is soo careful to prevent anything from straying off the timeline cuse maybe it will replace his memories?....or change things drastically, not in his favor...

Notice how smokey didn't kill lapetius either?....cuse he was supposta be there all along...

Rose and bernard are prolly adam and eve...Oh and Richard Alperet.....Abrevatie....RA!

naah guys, ben took jack to fix him and kate and sawyer to convice him to do it.. that's the reason and i don't think it has anything to do with timetravel. that's why kate and sawyer were held together and jack alone in the dolphin room.

someone said that desmond changed "the past" with charlie, but it wasn't the past, it was the present. this is something different. the course correcting thing was, that because desmond could see the future he always changed the present so that charlies destiny had to accomplish on another way. but indeed desmond can change the past, because he's special, i don't think the people who live in dharma times are. remember he changed for example that he and not the bartender got hit in that pub, the funny thing is that this caused him immadetly to back to the future.

Some things I noticed:
- Dr. Chang is wearing a Swan station coat, even though Radzynski is still making the model of the station.
- Since Ben is still young, that would mean Widmore is still in charge of the others, which means Penny may have already been or will shortly be born on the island. So whose the mother? Was Widmore with Ellie? If so, that would make Daniel and Penny siblings... and what about the Thomas (Claire's boyfriend, who painted, and one of his paintings was in Widmore's office, but before he would have painted it... so kinda weird)
- I think the timeline has definitely changed due to living with the DI. Daniel's notes were still in the Hydra station, the camp was long deserted (more than three years) and it looks likes the DI was only recruiting till 1978 (it was the last picture on the wall, Christian was reading them out). So I think they were not there for the "original" purge (1992)
- We know that the timeline can change, but it just gets repaired eventually (Desmond saving Charlie, and other Desmond associated events)
- There was definitely smoke and then someone behind sun (maybe actually the same person)
- And there is definitely someone missing from the group photo... so that's kind of weird. Could be kind of a Back to the Future kind of thing....
- I don't think Amelia = Amy. We know that Others take children and raise them as their own.
- I think the purge will still happen, but just a different way.
- Kind of disappointed that the baby was Ethan, I was kind of hoping it was Daniel... but I guess Ethan is part of an important loop with Locke and Richard, but still
- I think Miles will be Chang's son

Question: could Amy be Amelia (the old woman we see in the season 3 premiere)?

Well, like I was saying if big ben goes back in time and talks to little ben, he could tell him everything to do to get to where they are now. I guess since THE RULES have been broken anything goes from this point. Thats maybe why ben was shocked to hear that Jin is alive.

Holy cow J. Locke! Great connection...
This makes you wonder what he was trying to accomplish by interacting with the people on the list in the very beginning.
Was he just doing experiments to see if fate could be altered?

Ben has known the whole time! Thats why he made THE LIST! Because he remembers jack, kate, sawyer, and hurley, from when he was a little boy. Whatever happened, happened opens up the possiblity that one of the survivers is actually a kid of two other survivers. The Purge will still happen because its already happened. Little ben must learn the entire story at one point. Things got thrown off corse though when widmore "broke the rules" that wasnt supposed to happen! I wonder if little ben and big ben hook up at some point. Juilette might know too. If you remember the mobisode she has that folder which could have been a pic from 1977.

@ tsollost.....yea that's what she knows....but that doesn't mean it's true....if that's what you were getting at...cuz we know charlotte was born on the island.

@ Nemo...I used to believe that whatever happened happened....but I have a feeling that things are meant to be changed or are going to be changed....for instance....the barracks that have all the Dharma stuff still up...I don't remember seeing any Dharma signs and stuff still around when the others lived there. Plus, wouldn't someone have noticed Jack being a part of the DI when they were recruited back in 77 in the picture which was hanging up? I just don't think the others would have left that one building completely messed up for no reason....plus I don't remember the lamps and junk being all torn up on the dock.

We also learned that Pierre Chang was trying to fix the past, meaning us, the future, is in need to change the past. This was from the Comic Con video in 2008....we also heard what sounded like Faraday who was very skeptical about the video reaching us...if it was Faraday, that would mean he was wrong about the video reaching us....just sayin

Bottom line, that was definitely Clair in the room with christian, sun, and lapidus!

@tiptoes : juliet knows that amy had the ONLY successful birth ON the island.
thats what she KNOWS.

Thinkin mnaybe juliett knows more then shes letting on to. Amy asked juliett when her and sawyer plan on having a baby, her response with quite a $hit eatin grin on her face, is when the time is right!....she has to know something...

and after whatching reviews and reading blogs and comments and stuff about richard and the others comming off the black rock....thats cool and all...i dont really believe it...but if that was the case wouldn't there be more african others?.....or other "slaves"?.....just wondering...

well, we will see. but i doubt that serveral episodes will just be crap if something minor like this would really change.

i dunno... in one of the podcasts this season damon said "faraday claims events can't be changed, but is he right?" he himself tried to change things with desmond. he said he won't tell charlotte. i am not sure whatever happened happened. that's why we got an episode with this name coming up in 2 weeks, and i'm starting to think the title's ironic! the barracks was changed and the numbers message on the pilot's radio during mayday - how come ti was still there in 2007?? too many clues point to a change.

sorry, but that wouldn't make sense at all, everything we saw about dharmaville in the last seasons, and also the memories of the people who came from the future to the 70s would be wrong and changed... what happened, happened.
i can't imagine the writers would do something like that. effects of time travel will be clear in the present to us at all time, like when juliet uncovers the hatch so that locke would find it, but something we already saw is there for good.

to hidden_eye - i don't think so. there were dharma signs and pictures and bits of cloths all over the place. the others lived there for a decade, be sure they took those lingering signs off a long time ago. they didn't just bother to show you these little details. it's not merely deserted for 3 years. the room was untouched since the 70s.

It seems to me that if your favorite part of the show is the character development, then you likely loved last nights show, but if you want sci-fi questions/answers, then you probably didn't like it. I for one, LOVED it and thought it a very necessary change from the sci-fi heavy episodes we've been having recently. I like the stories and the drama!

the only cool thing that came out of the episode was we finally find out why the others were building a runway back in season 3. otherwise most of the stuff happening was filler. one of my least favorite episodes so far this season. funny how i'm always looking forward to next week thinking itll be the greatest episode yet and then it falls short. whoever makes the promos does a great job lol

To spender, John Locke didint flash because he was dead. I guess, I dont know I thought it was a good idea.

To Luu luu, When Julliette picked up the list from Amy, she said two people were dropped because they wouldn't take the meds. So Changes had to be made for two extra people( kate and hurley). Jacks name was on the list already, but julliette still put it there.

SO THE FRIEGHTER PEEPS ARE ALL ISLAND CHILDREN! Faradays mom is Ellie(Eloise) from jughead, Miles is Changs baby from first scene in season five, and we already know Charolotte was on the island. Maybe when they find out purge is coming they make all children leave (exept ben and ethan).

Awesome epi !!! Love all ur theories !!!

THANKS SUPER K, I THOUGHT I HAD A GOOD THEORY UP BUT I GUESS WHEN IT PEOPLE REALIZE IT IS TRUE, THEY'LL KNOW WHO SAID IT FIRST!


JACK WAS ALREADY ON THE LIST!

I may be a minority in believing this, but I don't think Ben is truly evil. Yes, he is manipulative, and he lies, and he has killed people. But I think he has reasons for everything he does, and it likely has something to do with protecting the island. He's untrustworthy in many ways, but he also knows more about the island and its secrets than any of our other characters, and perhaps lies to protect it, just as the O6 lied when they got home to protect everyone they left there, and the whole gang is lying now to protect each other.

So does anyone actually read the comments left behind!

LUU LUU stated an amazing point! Why would juliet put Jack's name on the list but not Kate's? because she hates her? NOPE! MAYBE JACK WAS ALREADY ON THE LIST!

Also as a workman, maybe he runs into ben's dad! Good Job Ms. LUU LUU. maybe people will read this and start theorizing on it!

Claire?? Although I'd agree it does look like a redhead

@ tidus: good eye at spotting sum1 behind sun.
It looks like Charlotte to me.. a hint of red hair, short sleeves like she was wearing when she died.. i think its Charlotte..

Thanks

OMG!!! there is another person with Christian, Lapidus and Sun when she sees the picture. Look behind Sun
Check 35:05-35:10
who is that? doesnt look like Jacob

I dont know about the box but i bet he has it in his backpack like 5 star said.

and i hope to find soon what Sawyer told Kate befor jumping out of the helicopter

I'm not sure what was in the box but I believe that Ben still has it with him in his pack that he carries. Maybe tidus is right and that the Temple is "immune" to the flashes. This could be why Ben went for the riggers and the main island when Caesar said that the Hydra was deserted. He could be trying to get what was in the box to Richard, the Temple, or safety.

@tidus,
thats a solid theory. I am really curious to see where Bernard/Rose/Vincent went

And I don't think the compass is what was in ben's box in the vent. Locke gave the compass to Richard who returned it to Locke. How would it have gotten into Ben's hands? Anyone know what was in that box?

My theory for Bernard, Rose and the other 815's people:
Remember they were also time traveling.
There is a time when we see some Ajira Bottles THATS 2007!! so my guess is these people stopped time traveling at that time! so they are in 2007 probably with the "others" and Richard.

How? (this may sound a little crazy but... remember the temple who was the last safe place. well i think they found it and manage to enter... and there the flashes dont affect them, so Richard told them to stay inside until the flashes stopped. Richard knew Locke would stop the flashes by turning the wheel )

So Sun and Lapidus or maybe Locke and 316's people may encounter them with Richard and the others?

what do you guys think?

to carmel
The barracks of Otherville have been desereted for three years now (2004-2007). And considering the climate on the island the houses would wear down quickly without maintenance.

i think it was funny to see the smoke monster wandering in the jungle not killing lapidus like the first pilot, because lapidus was supposed to be on the island..
young ben is fucking creepy.. he will kill so many people, i think he already knows sayid isn't a hostile because he hangs out with them..
kate better be not be rude to juliette, cause she's the one to deliver her baby in time :D

I thought it was funny the way Jack acted when the darma guy assigned him to do a janitorial duty.

Another thing I just thought of...where, and more importantly, when the heck are Rose/Bernard and the other remaining original 815-ers???? What have they been up to for three years??

why is nobody worried by the most disturbing evidence in the episode that the losties indeded CHANGE the timeline? did you look at the barracks? they look as if the others never took over them, dharma logos on the doors, signs and pictures hanging from the walls... unless it is an apparition like jacob's cabin, it MUST mean the future was changed by the events we now witness in 1977! will there ever be a purge now?

hey can anyone answer why there is barely any desmond this year?
cuz hes like one of the best characters, its a shame that he's been in only a few eps so far

I was just blown away...
Thoughts:

What is up with Sayid's outfit?

The thing that says "Thirty Years Earlier"... so we know LaFleur and the gang are in 1977. So flight 316 is in 2007. But... why did it change from night to day after the flash happens and they are trying to land on the island?
The plane must have time traveled too, at least a little bit.

Frank: Where's everyone else? Jack n' Kate, n' Hurley.. where'd they go?
Ben: They're gone.
Frank: Gone where?
Ben: How would I know?
me: Because you were there you lying *#**#**!!

Sawyer-Hurley hug was awesome.

The voice of the actor that plays Radzinski reminds me a little bit of Paul Giamatti.

I think it's interesting how in earlier seasons, "the others" acted in ways that didn't make sense... they weren't honest, etc... now, we have the original losties behaving in this same way to a degree.

Sun asks Ben if Jin is on the main island.
Ben says he doesn't know... but that is where he would start looking.
But... Ben does know. He remembers Jin from his childhood.

Is it just me, or is Jack not as likable as he used to be?
I can't put my finger on why.

Perhaps this is known, but is the smoke monster only seen on the main island, and not the little periphery island?

@ commandojay i think your on the right track, i began to come to this conclusion when i realised what the runway was built for.

What nobody has brought up yet, and maybe it was just nothing, But what was the deal with the tree monster? And, Did anyone else notice the errie mist that flung the door open and changed the lighting on sun? Was that supposta be the essance of jacob? A time loop deal like eathan shooting locke?....And why did they show sun in that way when christian said she had a long journy ahead? a journy beyond the grave?....ideas?...


oh and @ Aaron.....whats in the box?....The coumpass that richard gave lock to give back to him?....or did he already give it back?

So Justin Locke, what is it that John Locke had to do to recreate the plane crash, considering he is the dead guy Jack has on the plane to recreate the plane crash?

OK.
Not particular to THIS episode, but overall...

We shouldn't let Damon and Carlton get the best of us. We need to show them we are not forgetting about it.
The box. What did Ben remove from the vent in the hotel room in the season premiere? What was in that box?? I am guessing this is going to come into play in the finale somehow but I want to know now!