I am intrigued by the amount of speculation that has evolved from this season. So many questions with few answers,and more questions.

We have:Constants,Proxy's,Anagrams,Metaphors and the Biblical References.

Carlton and Damon have been an amazing team to keep us on edge. Thats the beauty of this series. I won't get into specifics on this episode, too much to speculate on.

I do have one theory, Could Ben and Charles be brothers trying to win a game of chess? Who will check mate?

I think Kate left Arron with Sawyer baby moma, and that is why she is doesn't want Jack to find out.

props to NEMO I love the plane landing on the hydra island theory. That sounds completely legit. I was trying to put it together myself with the ajira water bottles and them intentionaly not showing Sun Ben or Sayid but that theory makes perfect sense.

just cuz its 3 years in LA doesn't mean its 3 years on island

yeah everyone thinks its been 3 years but i dont know where they get that, since time traveling is involved i think that its less---

Locke turned the wheel and he got off the island... then he visited some of the people and died a short while right?

that is the time Jin and probably Sawyer and the others have been on the Dharma Initiative. probably like 2 weeks lets presume Locke lived a week and a half so he died and Jack came. and a few days later they got to the island... so yeah about 2 weeks they've been on the DI...


but are they still on thr DI times? they all had like a time travel flash...

ook my bad

@DNice: yes.

My bad for being classified as a spoiler..just wondering was it because i talked about next weeks episode?

Why is everyone so sure it's been three years for the island Losties? I think that this show has taught us that we reeeeally can't count on time behaving normally. Saying Jin has been working for Dharma for 3 years is jumping to conclusions on sooo many levels.

Also, why does Sun not give a second thought to Ji Yeon? She wants to go back to be with Jin but.... they have a daughter! Is she honestly willing to trade one in for the other? Or is her plan to get Jin and then leave again? Still... she seems less than concerned.

Reckoner NO SPOILERS! Not appreciated.

Reckoner,
No spoilers please.

And boom,

I say 3 years because everything we have been seeing on the island up until now has been in the following few hours after the 06 left and the freighter blew up. Now when the returned, they have been gone for 3 years. So that means where we last left off with Charlotte dying, Sawyer holding the rope, etc...
THAT was 3 years ago.

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wait how do we know that jin has been working for dharma for three years...also hurleys comic that he brought is i think for walt

Frank is awesome. With or without his beard, he is THE MAN! I was thrilled to see him again.
And Tidus,

THREE YEARS! JIN HAS BEEN WORKING FOR DHARMA FOR THREE YEARS!

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LOVED this episode. Absolutely brilliant.

I'm glad Ben didn't die this episode either (but then again I celebrate every time he survives an episode ;D) though he was pretty bloody. Don't know what happened to him though. For all I know, he could have died when the plane (maybe) crashed.

Also, I think that it was pretty odd how almost immediately after the moment Ben gets up from his seat and walks to the front of the plane, (after he left Jack to give him some privacy) the plane starts crashing. Where did Ben go to sit anyway?

I am thinking that maybe there is more reason behind Sayid's arrest. Maybe the woman who was escorting him is another one of Ben's off-island henchmen? If Ben told her to arrest him on fake charges and transport him to Guam, knowing that that would be the only possible reason that could get Sayid onto the plane, that could make some sense. I'm still not sure though.

I think that the theory about the plane landing safely on the landing strip on the little island where the Hydra was would definitely make a lot of sense (as we know, the writer's like to slip in tiny clues that seem to be unimportant, but that turn out to be crucial in the end - the landing strip would definitely fit in there, as so far we haven't been given a clear explanation as to the origin of it's purpose). I would hate for that to be the case though. I don't know why. I guess that I don't really like the thought of Jin and Sun being divided again, after coming so close to their reunion. Also, I thought that the little island was traveling with the big island because it was within the radius of the time-traveling events?

For me, the biggest shock of this episode was the return of Frank Lapidus. Throughout this whole season I was just waiting for him to show up, but by the middle of this episode I had completely forgotten all about him. Miss his beard though. I liked it ;D

Well flight 316 was near the island when a flash occured so those "chosen" (by the radii) Ben, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Lapidus, Hurley, Sun, the officer and the weird guy all traveled thru time so...

that means that Jin and the others ALSO traveled in time right? so Jin finding them was after he traveled in time... maybe he was in the bus already so the bus traveled too??

How much time does they been on the island since Jack got out?
and how will people explain the disappearing of people in a plane during turbulence?(cuz the plane didnt crash)

Penny are you ok? It seems as if Ben killed her... but maybe its a trick and she is alive? or maybe the trick is for us to think that is a trick and she is really dead and Desmond will avenge her death? who knows...

Few things I picked up on,

Notice how Ben was late for the flight, like Hurley was in season 1? Also, I think Kate must be pregnant to simulate Claire's role.

Loved the reference to the Pilot with Jack waking up in his suit in the Jungle

John LOCKE 3:16 wink wink.
Anyone think Jin’s english may be really good now after having lived on the island under the DI for THREE YEARS???

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

– John 3:16

nemo i agree. but im still confused as to why they would be shooting at their friends?

this was by FAR the best episode this season!! as SOON as Ben said he had to do something for an old friend i instantly knew he was going to try and kill penny. and it just confirmed that when they showed him all messed up on the docks (the same docks des and penny had their boat) i think penny effed him up though and got away.

I was totally scared when they showed kate on jacks bed.. and she told him never to ask about aaron again.. she looked so messed up in this episode.. i hope she didnt do anything to bad with him.

im deff thinking that the guitar with hurley was charlies.. and dead charlie told hurley he had to get on the plane. thats they only person, besides syid and jack, hurley would ever listen to.

yeah.. where the HECK is rose and bernard? living in the cave? lol that would be AWESOME!

cant WAIT till 'The Life And Death of Jeremy bentham'.. the sneak peek looks like locke has a ton of close calls. but it was nice to see him alive and well back on the island talking to that new 5o chick.

OH and i love the thought that jack, kate, and hurley, went thru the flash to a diff time and ben, syid, and sun.. and the other plane people landed on the hydra island and sailed over cause the ajira bottle and boat were from the future.. not the 70's..

cant wait till next episode!!
and ChrisKs words on last nights '316'

Nice thinking Nemo.
Anyone think Jin's english may be really good now after having lived on the island under the DI for THREE YEARS???

Amazing episode.
I would be so sad, if Penny is really dead...
And I think plane didn't crashed, the O6 moved with flash. But that doesn't really make sense...

oh yeah, i think the theory is great the only jack kate and hurley are in the 70's and the rest of the flight people will get to the island in 2008.
and here is why: i think lapidus managed to land the plane SAFE on the hydra island where they built a runway for it. the people from the plane then got on the 2 boats to sail over to the real island where locke and sawyer and co find the bottle of ajira when they were approximatley in 2008.

Just to continue on the Jesus parallel;

If you remember in season one when they did the story of Locke, he asked his mother who his father is and she tells him he was an "Immaculate Conception"

Granted, we know this not to be true but it falls into line.

Immaculate Conception
Rise From the Dead
Miracle (Walk on Water, Walking after being paralyzed)
People want to kill him

I'm not the biggest religion guy but if others have things to add, please do.

Again lost amazes me beyond compare :) so many questions and so little few answers but thats how we like it right ? hehe

questions,

what happened to ben
where are, sun, ben, sayid ect after the plane crash or did it crash
wheres Arron

seeing jin working with DI amazing, next weeks episode looks unreal and am sure it will be awesome. am looking forward to see how the season works out and to see how hurly, sayid got to be on the plane ect.

i love lost so much and i couldnt sleep very well last night, infact i dont sleep to good on Wednesday nights lol, to many thoughts in my head. but thats good cos i have been like that since season 2 and 3. season 5 is easily the best season.

well i guess we can just wait to see how the season unfolds witch i am certen will be unforgettable :)

You also have to remember Locke has a compund fracture from falling into the well. No 4 toes. Just a fracture that requires a cast!

I think, Ben indeed killed Penny (sad) and this will be the reason for Desmond to come back to the island (revenge? kill Ben?).

Lockes broken foot from the promo was quite funny (it may has to mean something if they show it to us that big) , but i don't think it has something todo with the 4-toed-statue, which is a statue of a left foot and locke has a broken right foot. So i guess Locke still has all of his toes on his foot :)

And I guess Locke will "re-arise" (is that the correct word?!) as some form of Jesus-like-Character, probably. And Jack may have the part of that doubting Thomas from the Painting in the church.

Oh, and they are probably all in one time-period (1970s) but maybe Sun and Bentham have just "landed" a few meters aside or were found by "the Hostiles" or whatever. We will see that in two weeks.

Anyone put any thought into how there was Ajira water bottles on the island when the time was changing so much and they were in the future? Im wondering if the plane really did crash or not.... So so sooooo much to think about after this episode and we arent going to get ANY answers next week with the Life and Death episode because Damon and Carlton said they could be aired in either order and they would still make sense which means we will get no answers to this weeks episode haha.

The guy in the room was probably Ben since you can hear his voice over during that scene in the promo sayin "you have no idea how important you are"

Anyone else think that Jill might be Annie? And I think this is definitely some sort of time loop that has gotten off track somehow. I figured this before, then tonight's epi just confirmed it for me!! The same things keep on happening...

Body/coffin on the plane- Christian then, John now
Trouble at the ticketing counter- Jack then, Jack now
Someone on the plane in cuffs with a marshall- Kate then, Sayid now
Someone on the plane who has a guitar- Charlie then, Hurley now
Someone to be disabled/injured- John then, Ben now

There are many many more, but these are just some of the ones that I noticed tonight.

And.... Since Claire was on the plane last time...
My guess is that someone on the plane is prego!! Kate, anyone???

OH!! And I think that in the promo for next week, the person in the room with Locke was either Richard Alpert or Boone. Can't explain either.. just a thought!!

desmond couldnt kill ben. ben would distroy desmond

Ben's promise to "an old friend" = his promise to Widmore to kill his daughter.
At first I thought it -was- a time loop but now we see that they are back in dharma times so nope. can't be.
What did Kate do with Aaron????
Hurley heard about the flight through one of the dead people who visits him. Maybe Charlie ('cause of the guitar case)
So hmmm... at first I thought Ben tried to kill penny and desmond kicked his ass. BUT I don't see how Des would let him get away not completely killed. So I think a) the Sayid theory is good or b) Penny fought him off and then took off (have to take care of Charlie right? And didn't have a weapon probably) is also good

Possible SPOILER for those who didn't want the promo for next weeks episode!!!



Did anyone else see locke begin to hang himself....with ben in the room as well? Did you happen to see lockes foot in the brace? Is it just me or did it look like it had four toes? Just sayin.....

My beliefs about what just happened:

Charlie told Hurley he had to go to the airport.

All of the Losties are in the same time period.

Penny beat up Ben. Ben also believes that he has killed Penny but I don't think he has. In turn, Penny will be why Desmond gets back to the island, since she will now want to kill Ben. And it seems to be that if you want to get back, you must come a similar way so Ben must come on a boat.

Locke is alive in some way shape or form.

I don't believe Sayid was under arrest. If you remember, before the flight in season 1, Sayid was pulled away because Shannon told security about him. I believe this is a similar scenario although I keep reading that the woman on the plane was the one escorting him but I think it is explainable without Sayid having been arrested.

Quote of the night:
"Were not going to Guam, are we?"

It probably was Ben's lawyer that told Hurley to go to the airport, right?

I don't think there will be anymore involvment from Jack's extended family outside his father and Claire now. His grandfather was a symbol to show Jack he should have faith in signs. He didn't know where to get something of his fathers and he was going to refuse to do that to a believer like locke. Next thing his phone rings and he visits the grandfather who just happens to be trying to run away (like Jack) and see the symbolism of the shoes. He even explains it to Kate.

Other than that the episode blew my mind. I really think they are all in the same time which is back in the 70's. And they all plant themselves into the DI to find the rest of the survivers and go from there. I'm dying to see where this all goes though.

Great episode....I am more about the mythology rather than the 06 story but I can't wait for everything to come together!

There are a lot of things to point out but one that was awesome was the Lamppost.....anyone else relate that the narnia? The lamp post was how the kids knew how to get in and out of narnia as well as the post creating narnia....interesting!

So many questions and not enough patience!

First of all, beautiful comment by Sgrmac, all that seems quite plausible. I just wanted to say what a terrific episode tonight was, you can really tell the ones Damon and Carlton write, they hit on mythology/characters/connections/and fan desires all at once.

I thought it was awesome how when they were all with Ms. Hawking how Desmond stole the scene from Jack and Ben (two of the best and well acted characters on the show)

Jack's grandad will definitely come to serve a higher purpose

I thought it was interesting how much Jack is turning from "a man of science" to "a man of faith." While I can't recall specific instances, they are there and if you pay attention to it during a re-watch, you'll definitely pick up on it if you hadn't already

Finally, next weeks episode looks truly phenomenal, honestly, it looks like it may start the next act (as the producers stated this season will be set up in three acts) moving away from "setting the rules" to getting on with the overarching story.

Can't wait for Kirkman's take!

...I think we will see the "unpredictable results" Mrs Hawking referred to because of the mock recreation of the "flight" In that, some of the 06 arrive at the island in the past, while others arrive in the future. Sawyer, Jin and crew were "stopped" in time after Locke moved the wheel (circa Dharma 70's)Sun, Sayid and the new cast are in the plane crash in the present, with 'New' Locke. The other 06 flash out of the plane into the past with the Dharmalars...cool, some of the "new" locke crew chase after the "old" locke crew and have that canoe shoot-out...sweet