5.03 “Jughead”: Initial And Afterthoughts By Gitsie Girl
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A couple of thoughts from last week. Hurley and Kate *just* miss each other at the gas station. This goes along with the idea of the show that everyone is connected somehow, like six degrees of separation. Or I saw a movie once and the whole time it followed an item as it got passed from person to person. I think it was Madonna’s pap smear but don’t quote me. Anyway, how we are all connected somehow.
I don’t really like the pop ups. Maybe I’m missing stuff, you tell me if you watch them. But it’s like ABC’s attempt to get new viewers up to speed. To me, I feel cheated somehow that newbs are getting catch ups and we’ve had to do four years of hard work. But, if it brings new viewers and ratings then that’s a good thing.
Ben helped Jack overcome his Oxy habit. Locke helped Charlie kick his heroin habit. I think Ben actually cares somewhat for Jack. Yes, I know he has other reasons for him to be sober, but coupled with his defense of Jack to Jill, I think he cares. Some.
1. Let’s just start but talking about how freaking cute Desmond’s son is. Wow!
2. Desmond talking to his son about the island, Great Britain, like it was “the” island was interesting. There are mountains and glens and monsters… And is he foreshadowing saying he’ll be there again?
3. They sure are killing a bunch of the extras off. Economy is bad, must save money somewhere I guess.
4. Was it just me, or were the colors weird in tonight’s episode? I’m hoping it’s just because of the film they used and not supposed to resemble something with time.
5. Here is my sister’s theory (and some embellishments by me). Penny has the baby, Charlie. Could this be our Charlie? When Des is on the island “seeing” Charlie die, it’s not because he sees the future but because he’s lived it already. Charlie could have been raised by the parents we saw initially because they had to “hide” him from Ben or maybe Widmore Sr. wanted to get his hands on him.
6. Or, they just named him after our Charlie.
7. Penny sure is a downer. “Also where he broke her (Penny) heart.” and “You forgot to tell him about his grandfather.”
8. Why are there government soldiers invading the island? Somehow, Richard’s people manage to eliminate them. Then they figure out how to “move” the island so that they can’t get back.
9. Jughead. The bomb. Must be buried in the hatch (what used to be the hatch). Remember that Sayid talks about the concrete wall down in the hatch and how thick it was. And that it was magnetic.
10. So the blonde woman that has Dan under the gun and takes him to the bomb is the same as “Teresa Spencer” the woman in the “coma” back in London. She must be the “poor woman” that the guy who finds Des in Dan’s old office is referring to.
11. Does Penny know more than she let’s on? Why does she make him promise never to go back to the island? I understand that she had a terrible time finding him, but as long as they are together why would she be so dead set against it? Maybe she knows things about the island in her research to find Des.
12. And, the government was trying to bomb the island? Why? What do they know?
13. I love that Juliet calls the soldiers “Others.” Like the writers are saying “Yes, we know you call them that,” and that is how they get the point across to us who they are.
14. Apparently these are also the “Others” that kill off the Dharma Initiative.
15. “Four” US soldiers. There is one of our numbers.
16. Juliet says, “Richard has always been here,” assuming she means the camp. But the camp looks like where they end up building “Otherville.”
17. Interesting that they took Dan out of the system showing he was a professor.
18. What I don’t understand is that if Dan’s work was to be kept secret, why did they leave all of his equipment (beside the fact that Des has to find it in the storyline). And what’s up with the mystery “janitor” that happens in and gives Des a little bit of information. And why is the janitor dressed so old fashioned? Does anyone besides Brad Pitt wear those hats these days? And who else was poking around for Dan’s work?
19. Looks like “Ellie,” the girl that has Dan at gunpoint, is the girl who is in the “coma” back at Oxford. oops, I already said that. Must be tired.
20. Dan knows the bomb is unstable because it was probably what was behind the wall when Marvin Candle’s group was drilling there.
21. Glad Sawyer got some good lines this week. “Well, maybe I should have said it in my secret language.”
22. So Locke owns this island my friends. The Losties are his people and The Others are his people. All your base belongs to…. Locke!
23. Teresa is traveling big time. It reminds me of the Matrix when they have them in the pods, feeding them, and their minds live in the “world.” I’m sure Mr Widmore was so kind to pay for Teresa’s care so no one found out about her. If she’s seeing her dead dad then she’s definitely traveling around.
24. Widmore has to be Dan’s dad. Could be Richard but more than likely Widmore. Explains why he funded his research (beyond interest in the topic). Age is appropriate.
25. Yeah, some “sodding” old man knows the island better than you Jones!
26. Richard is “old” but by what standard? I watched Aeon Flux this past weekend and it got me thinking. In the movie, the women can’t have children so until they figure out the problem, they clone children from their own DNA. Then the “leaders” teach the cloned child of themselves all about their lives and give them their memories. So in essence it seems like they have years and years of memories. Maybe Richard is a clone. Does it make more sense that he doesn’t age? Or is he just an aberration created by the smoke monster (like Yemmi or Christian)?
27. So if the blonde holding Dan at gunpoint isn’t Teresa, could she be Mrs Hawkins? Still thinking she’s his mother, too. She knows the island. She must be smart is some capacity to be chosen to be on the island. Why she wants to get back to the island. How she knows about the island.
28. Desmond, Desmond. What are you thinking going to Widmore? Like the guy was just going to tell him what he wanted to know with no strings. Widmore is so good that I wanted to believe that he was genuinely pooping himself when he saw Des but he probably already knew he was off the island and left him alone so as to not lead Ben to Penny. I do believe that Widmore wants Des to hide because Penny won’t leave him and Ben really would like to retaliate and kill Widmore’s daughter.
29. And I love Locke just marching into the camp. And how *did* Richard know when he would see Locke again unless Richard already has the memories when he meets up with Locke so he knows the next time we’ll see him.
30. I think that Widmore came to see Penny on the boat. That’s how she knows that Desmond is lying. Plus she just seems to be hiding something.
31. Now we know why Richard went and saw Locke in the hospital.
32. Maybe I’m tired but it looks like the coloring goes back to normal after they leave the “past.”
*** back on the ranch… aka; thoughts a few days later ***
1. The title “Jughead.” We know that the bomb was called “Jughead” but there has to be more significance. I still think that the leaking radiation has something to do with why women can’t carry babies to term. Maybe Dan, Charlotte and Miles are the last babies conceived on the island so they are special. Since we know that the island has healing qualities, we have wondered how Ben got a tumor on his spine. He was probably working too close to Jughead and was exposed to small quantities of the radiation. If Dan hadn’t have shown up and told them what to do with it, what would they have done with the bomb? Maybe all of this has happened before and Jughead represents a serious problem that could not have been fixed without Dan so all of the events must happen this way. And unless all of the events (starting with the plane crash) happened then the island may not have been been there.

2. The American government is coming in 1954 to the island. Why do they want to kill the “Hostiles?” Couldn’t they have just rounded them up and put them in a prison camp? Are we sure it’s the government or perhaps ex military? Keemy and the gang looked to be military also but weren’t working for the government. Maybe it’s a “Hatfield and McCoy” scuffle that has been going on for hundreds of years and not just Ben Vs. Widmore.

3. So it’s Oxford University and in the 10 – 20 years in between when Des met Dan on campus and now they haven’t cleaned up the office for other use? Or, did Dan *just* abandon the office right before he left for the island and it hasn’t been long enough to get it cleaned out? If that’s the case, there must have been an incredible offer to just leave all of his time travel research like that. Maybe *someone* convinced him to leave (like, say, Widmore)? From the state of the office I’d say he left in a big hurry.

4. Dan tells Miles and Charlotte that they just have to hang tight until everything disappears but can’t predict when. What if it’s every 108 minutes that they travel? I’m thinking that the numbers might come in play here as to how the time shift works.
5. Watching back, Juliet doesn’t know how far in the past they are so how does she know to ask if Richard is at the camp? I just don’t want to believe that he’s really, truthfully “very” old but how else would she know he’d be there?

6. Locke can’t shoot “Jones” because he’s one of his people. Remember that Juliet was branded for killing Pickett (the guy who was going to kill Sawyer and Kate) so it must be against their rules to kill one of your own. Keemy also broke the rules when he killed Alex.
7. It does look like Teresa is the same girl that is in the picture, but the picture is old (check out Dan’s mullet). Dan doesn’t seem the type to leave someone behind that he cared for so again, something must have happened to make him just take off and then Widmore to take care of Teresa in his absence.

8. I can’t make up my mind about Ellie. Dan is walking with her and she tells him to quit looking at her to which he apologizes and tells her she looks just like someone he used to know. She does look like Teresa (see picture above) but it also could be because he realizes he’s talking to his mom.

9. Widmore was on the island as a young man (at least probably about age 18 if not younger). He probably thinks as well as he knows the island that he’s the one that’s going to take over as the leader. Then along comes Ben. Ben is groomed to be the leader. I’m guessing somewhere along the way Widmore is exiled from the island. Now he holds a grudge against Ben for that and because Widmore is obviously a hot head (breaking the neck of his colleague who tells Juliet where the camp is). But he hasn’t been to the island in at least 20 years so I wonder if at some point he had come back after his younger days as a solider. Perhaps he stayed for quite a while. Maybe Ellie was the love of Ben and Widmore and that had something to do with it (we know how Ben falls madly in love with women and wants them all to himself). I think this all speaks to where the rivalry between Ben and Widmore started for the island.
10. I found this arrow theory from Doc Jensen very intriguing and something I had not caught: My “Arrow” Theory. Adam mentioned this in his recap. Have you noticed the recurring arrow symbolism this season? Episode 1: Pierre Chang produces the orientation film for a Dharma station called “The Arrow.” Episode 2: The Left Behinders are attacked by flaming arrows. And now, Episode 3: Arrows everywhere, in the text (see: the Others’ archery brigade) and the subtext. A leaking or missing hydrogen bomb is known as a “Broken Arrow” event in military parlance. In physics, the “Arrow of Time” is the name of a body of theories pertaining to the nature of time; the term “broken arrow” is used to characterize an idea like time loops. Google “broken arrow” and you’ll get any number of movies, TV shows and songs about Native Americans… and wouldn’t you know, “Jughead” was a peek into the past of the Island’s indigenous peeps, the Others. But the coolest arrow connection comes via the Other cutie with the shot gun, British accent, and terse line readings: Ellie. Short for Eleanor, which is French for “the Other.” (Or so wikipedia tells me; I don’t speak it. Me stupid American.) On a whim, I combined “Ellie” and “Eleanor” and “Arrow,” and came back with an awesome connection: Ellie Arroway, the heroine of Carl Sagan’s novel Contact, which was adapted into the Jodie Foster film of the same name. I’m going to leave it to you to explore the significance, but Sagan’s story certainly resonates with Lost themes, and perhaps functions as a clue to wormhole theory.
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February 1st, 2009 at 9:46 am
what really kills me is why richard looks exactly like in 2004/2005 even with the same shirt (as far as i remember) but a few years later after the 50′s when he encounters young benjamin in the jungle, he has long hair and his wasted clothes.
is it just a fake for the dharma to believe they are primitive like they did with the survivors? not sure…
February 1st, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Seriously why! You have so many mistakes, gramatical and lost wise. How are you able to write what you think? Who lets this happen? Come on people!
February 1st, 2009 at 1:50 pm
gramatical and lost wise errors*
February 1st, 2009 at 2:03 pm
great read thanks so much !!!
February 1st, 2009 at 4:58 pm
4815162342, do you mean me?
February 1st, 2009 at 5:39 pm
No I mean the writer of the article. If that is you then Yes! If not then I apologize I wasn’t clear. Ha Ha
February 1st, 2009 at 5:47 pm
no i’m not, i just thought you would mean me because english isn’t my motherlanguage and i do quite a lot of mistakes i think.
February 1st, 2009 at 9:14 pm
I agree, a lot of mistakes. I don’t think teresa is the same girl holding the gun. It’s more likely that it is faradays mother. The camp looks to me like the same camp back in Season 3. Not where they build otherville. i got the impression Dharma built the houses. I’m pretty sure that’s the case. I don’t think the bomb was behind the wall where they were drilling. we clearly saw an image of what was behind the wall and that was the wheel. We also know whats behind the wall because we see Ben in that area in the season 4 finale. Because you already posted a spoiler about next week I will comment on it. It is very unlikely that Kate visits the island next week and even more unlikely that ben shows her how to time travel like you said. that would be ridiculous. It is more likely that our lostie time travelers will witness past events such as one where kate is doing something in the jungle. iterations of themselves. whether they can interact, i dont know. I don’t think keamy broke the rules of the others when he killed alex like you imply. im willing to bet the rules have a lot to do with time travel. quite possibly the same rules pierre chang was talking about in the premiere when he says ‘don’t be silly, there are rules!’
February 1st, 2009 at 10:33 pm
ELLIE = ELOISE = MRS HAWKING
that is all
February 1st, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Teresa and Ellie are not the same person. They aren’t played by the same person…. and they just aren’t. (But I completely agree that Ellie is Hawkings) And I thought that Widmore might be Dan’s dad but how does a Hawking and a Widmore end up with a son with the last name Faraday? I don’t think we should jump to that conclusion on that one just yet. I also highly doubt that the bomb was behind that wall. They were making the Orchid station… I see no reason why the bomb would be connected to that. That makes no sense. Also, I don’t think the explanation of Richard will be that he is cloned over and over again. I also highly doubt that Widmore visited Penny on the boat. That would just put her in danger. And I’m pretty sure (read: 99.999 percent positive) that Kate doesn’t travel to the island. They just go to some time where Kate is already there.
I dunno, this was mostly a miss for me…
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 am
horrible article..
sorry if you find this rude, but i had to be honest.
February 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 am
hahah lol
true-> everything “the hatch” said
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
i did notice the coloring was weird! i was like whoa WHY? is it the sun??
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 pm
i think “the hatch” should write the next article.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
No I mean the writer of the article. If that is you then Yes! If not then I apologize I wasn't clear. Ha Ha