Has anyone figured out yet that Mrs. Hawkings is Daniel Farraday's mother? And that the "blondie" other's girl is Daniel Farraday's mother too?????

I'll bet on it!

Anyone else comment on this????

I have a question-- howcome only 815, juliette,charlotee,dan and miles moved, no one else, what about the others?

I entertained the idea that Faraday was Widmore's son... but that's leaves one big problem. How does a kid born to a Widmore and to a Hawking end up with the last name Faraday?

Did you hear Ellie say 'outnumbered?' to young Widmore, and he told her to 'shut up Ellie'? I'll bet they're both Faraday's parents, and Penny's as well!

Great episode, there's something I noticed (I don't know if someone already said 'cause I don't want to read everything, sorry if someone did) In 5x01, Richard gives to Locke a compass and tells him to give it to him the next time they meet. In 5x03, in 1954, Locke gives back the compass to Richard. Which, 50 years later, gives it to Locke, etc... So he created a paradox. But from where (or when) the compass come from?? (I know it's not important on the show (well I guess) but this question is so obsessing! lol)

While at first I thought the "Dan is Charlotte's dad" idea was brilliant, I just rewatched the episode and Dan says "I'm -in- love" not "I love". And then later he says he said it 'cause it's true. You don't say that to your daughter. (Unless he doesn't know I guess...)
He's veerrry protective of Charlotte but I think it's out of guilt about what happened to Teresa. I don't think there is a blood relation.

yeah the writers like to re use names in the series.. we all know that now. Teresa clearly didnt fall down the stairs.. its something wrong with her mentaly... not physically. i think that dan ran his rat expiriment on her and her mind is just stuck in another time and she cant get back.

@nickpeircem : yeah i was thinking that too, but i don't think theirs really a connection

Teresa falls up the stairs...Teresa falls down the stairs...Teresa falls up the stairs...Teresa falls down the stairs.

he could just be 16 in the show guys, or like charles whitmores daddy whose name ight have beencharles. doubt that though

i wouldn't assume that he has something in common with richard regarding the age. i think richard has something more special around him there. also clearly not everyone is staying young, like ben aging from a child to nowadays. i assume that widmore turned the donkey wheel and jumped a few years into the future, remember that he seems very sad about the fact being off the island and tries really hard to find it.

Well yes I mean, he must have had something affect him from the island, as Richard is clearly affected. But he couldn't be 75, just with his lifestyle and appearance. so the island must have affected his aging also?

@Keely: What makes you think he couldn't be over 70?
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If your basing it solely on his appearance then you must also assume that Richard Alpert couldn't be over 30sumthing.
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We all know Richard is "OLD". So more then possibly there are properties on the island that cause aging to cease all together or slow down to an extent.
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How is that in 1954 Widmore was only about 20? When in 2008, he couldn't be over 70.

ohh good point about it being charlottes mam, mixedcolors ? could be

OMG great episode! he was like "widmore" and i was all WHOA!!!!

okay, so the writers said theresa wasn't going to be a main character, and ihave afeeling shes going to be not so important. She could be his assistant who was exposed to simething, or his daughter, sister, anyone.
I'm definitly on the boat with Elle beeing Eloise, but at first i thought she was going to be penny's mom or something or maybe charlotte's? remember charlotte saying 'i was thinking aboutmy mum, and i couldn't remember her maiden name'? mayber theres a reason?

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DOn't worry Lost-A-Natic, you can use the Episode 5.04 Promo post to comment it :)

ohh right i miss understood and of coarse am so sorry.

all good.

We don't consider the episode titles spoilers, but details about what can be seen on the promos, that's different.

also am not sure how listing the names of upcoming episodes is a spoiler as i recall this site listing the first 6 titles of the first six episodes just a few weeks before the show aired, hmmm ? anyone remember that salvatore ?

no harm done though.

ohh sorry my bad campetin

I'm sure that the bomb will explode, and we'll see it on season 6. I think that's why the losties saw the island "disappear" when they were on the helicopter in the finale of eseason 4 (remember that outside the island, the time is different, so they were looking the island in other time-line, because they were out of the "radio" of the magnetic bubble that surrounds the island, as Faraday said). The island didn't move when Ben turned the donkey wheel. As Daniel said on episode 1, "they" were moving through time, not the island.
Well, at least that's what i think :P

@ Campetin: thank you, just was about to say that.
@ Callum: me too liked jughead better than the previous two eps.
one of the reasons were the spoilers and that's why don't look at any spoilers anymore and THAT is why Campetin is right :-)

Just wondering: what would all the '50s others' have seen when the Island flashed again? Would Locke, Sawyer, Juliette, Miles and Charlotte just have vanished? That should be enough to convince R.A. that they actually did come from another time.

love the commentary. few quick things to add:

1) i feel like the bomb either a) was buried under lead and concrete in the swan and they had to push the button every 108 minutes to render the electromagnetic field building around the bomb inert. when dez turned the failsafe, the bomb went off, though somehow it was weakened significantly by either the layers of concrete and lead around it or just became a "dud" over time. thus dez was indeed "saving the world." or b) the bomb will factor hugely into the overall story arc of the show and it will likely be one of the final conflicts resolved in series finale.

2) dez and penny's kid = "charlie." parents quite often name their children after their own parents... so they were able to make penny happy naming the boy after her estranged father, and dez happy by naming the boy after his buddy who died.

3) i think whidmore is torn between his love for penny (keeping her out of harms way) and his desire to find the island. by giving dez Faraday's Mom's whereabouts, perhaps he knows that could ultimately lead Dez back to the island and he could find it.. but he also knows that potentially puts penny in great danger (cuz ben wants to kill her).

that was 3 not 2... sorry :-)

Please, do not post any info about upcoming episodes. Thanks!

WOW

This episode was really amazing, so many answers and yet more questions. i love that they are giving us answers finally, i must say this is in my top 3 of losts best episodes ever, along with the constant and the final of season 2.

season 5 is looking great and it has maken me so happy as a die hard lost fan, and the best scene from last night was seeing young widmore, i dont think the button has anythink to do with the bomb i think its still on the island some were and will be used in season 6 in some way, OMG desmonds child and called charlie how sweet well done cos its named after charlie pace for sure awwww.

NOW, next weeks episode looks so thrilling i cant control myself, i just wanna state for the record that lost is the best television show ever made by far, nothing is even close to this show and if season 5 doesnt win some big awards ill be shocked,

season 5 rocks and we are gonna get some great answers from the past season, with is really what we all want, i cant wait to see how it plays out.

ALL HAIL LOST. X

"why don't you shot him?"
"because he is one of my people"

best line :D

best episode so far
i like young Charles Widmore xD

Yea but i def dont think it was for Widmore i mean Desmond hates him and it appears Penny doesnt feel too strongly for him either so i think it is an homage to Charlie Pace and what he sacraficed

I'm not sure if the baby being named Charlie is more homage or omen. There are two Charles he could have been named for - Pace and Widmore.

okay, after watching it a second time i find this bit interesting.
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Richard knew that he would not recognize Locke after the next flash. (Knowing that with the next flash he would be sent to the past. Possibly knowing exact year). So he gave Locke the compass and said to give it to him. (I was under the impression that Richard would atleast recognize it and know that Locke spoke of the truth).
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Now in the past, when Locke is speaking with Richard and has given him the compass, Richard does not seem to know why he is receiving it. Locke proceeds to ask what year it is, then gives the date and the place he was being born.
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Now you all know that Richard is there at Lockes birth as well as a few years later in which Richard places objects on the table and asks John which of those items are already his. I believe the compass was the first item he chose. Its just interesting to see how that played out because the compass was "his" before it was Richards to even present to the child or adult Locke.

i like ur theory about charlotte and faraday being daughter and father. i think the lost creators are trying to lead us on another love relationship when it will in fact turn out to be something different...like how boone and shannon seemed to be so connected to each other when in fact they were half brother/sister...even though they ended up having sex before they crashed..lol. Also, in Season 4 when Faraday was crying when he heard the news of the plane crash was that his old gf next to him or was it someone else? Cuz if it was his gf.. he was crying cuz he had to leave her behind? It was weird that he left his gf and then just go after charlotte...i def think that dan would not go to the trouble of going to the island just to be romantic with charlotte while doing his "experiments"..there is more to it

Yea i dont think pushing the button had anything to do with the bomb but after reviewing it once demond turned the fail safe key i think if the bomb was there it would have blown up. Unless the lead Danial said to put over the hole in the bomb really worked and it was just inert after 50 years like that.

WOW AMAZING REVEALING.

I loved it, and leaned so much. So this is Widmores past? An original other, so it seems the island was his before ben got there (granted if he was born there).

But where are they now? I believe they are in the future, not too far but to a time after charolette died; that's why she's all messed up, cause in that time she's dead.

And what's this "Others 101". I know it's a joke, but for real they all know Latin and everything about the island so obviously there must be some crash course that explains eveything. THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!


Can't wait for next week!!!

woohoo! its online already! i'll be back to discuss anything else i find interesting.

@tsollost
oh, we shall see, ha. I don't know, it was just a thought. Cause they both know they like/love each other (Faraday/Charlotte), so I don't see why all we've seen is a kiss on the cheek, and that was from her, not him. So, I dont know.

And we also saw Miles use his little "ability" again. Just remembered that.

@Brian: I dont think that could be the case. I personally believe he stated "you have no idea" because he was more so the exact opposite of the romeo. If anything he fled from oxford after the experiment with his ( lets say for arguments sake) ex girlfriend (the bed ridden chick/the one in the picture with him).
Mabey she was in love with faraday to the point she believed in what he could do with elloise & the time traveling conscience and she was his first human subject. Then something went wrong (obviously) and he couldnt bare seeing her in the state she was in. So he left. Never to love again until he met Charlotte.
Being that Widmore was funding his studies he possibly became angry at the situation and confronting Ms. Hawkings about her son's failed experiment and causing their friendship (hawkings,widmore) to end. Mabey a reason in which she is helping Ben find the island instead of Widmore.

And still, It could all be irrelevant. We'll see though, wont we. =]

Wow! What an awesome episode! The writers are just giving a taste is what to come!

Is Farday's "time trail" good or bad.

Who put "jughead" on the island?

My jaw about dropped when Richard said his name! What is Widmores "overall" plan with the island...

Homage to Charlie..awesome!

@Jello:
haha, you HAVE to think critically to watch this show. Good job, and a gold star for you :)

I dont think, really, that the button has something to do w/ the bomb, but the button is for the magnetism. The bomb is just there, to make it not blow up.

and just for the record: it's a HYDROGEN bomb, not HELIUM :P