everyone should read this article: http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/science_n...
my favorite quote from article: "So the bomb [Jughead] could still be out there, somewhere. Uncontained, there are a couple of things radiation can do: Cause radiation sickness, cure cancer, maybe even have ill effects on pregnant women. We'll let you connect the dots from here."
mostly though its an interview with a nuclear bomb expert about the fake and fiction of Faraday's experience with Jughead

Both episodes were perfect! As always!

yea, that's absolutely what i think.. so what is wrong with that? sorry don't see it yet..

I know the first skip was about 3 years...I'm not debating that....I said IF the first jump was just ONE month in the past...and we are following you're theory...that would mean that none of the Losties plus Juliet plus the others would be carried back in time as well...correct? You are saying that since the jump went back to a point when the others were still on the island then the others were not effected by the skip?

PLUS....Juliet has been on the island for 3 years didn't she?


And I meant that to be towards "David"....he mentioned that he thought Ethan was the one who told the others about Locke....and I agreed....but also mentioned that Richard already knew about Locke being who he was....maybe he kept it to himself...or maybe he's been to the future or all around time already

so why doesn't make it much sense at all? oh and the first skipped hasn't been just 1 month, it has been at least 109 days, because 815 didn't crashed yet on that point of time. i think the first skip was something about 3 years back in time, so when juliet wasn't on the island yet. it would make sense.

"Also Lock did meet Ethan at that point…" .. what do you wanna say with that?

Nemo,
I don't think the first jump to that specific time period really determined who was going back and who wasn't...that doesn't make much sense at all...so if they jumped 1 month into the past instead of the how many years they did the first time you're saying that none of them would be jumped at all since they'd already be on the island...?

Also Lock did meet Ethan at that point....but Richard already knew who he was from meeting him as a child....but there must be some connection

I was thinking about the Locke and Ethan meeting and i remembered a part in season 3 when Locke was with the others and Cindy said "We've been waiting for you" or somehting along those lines do you think this is because Locke met Ethan years prior to this and he went back and told the rest of the Others about the John Locke he just met and everything he told him? Maybe that was how they found out he was soo special. IDK just a thought

OK, I think I know what Mrs.Hawkings was doing. I think that every time the island flashes and they move through time,the island also disappears like before and moves to another location. I think that Mrs.Hawkings was determaining where they island is and where it moves next. On the computer, there were all these little dots and also the swingy chalk thing was making marks on the map everywhere. I think that every time the island moves it sends a tiny charge of energy through the world or something that no one else can feel but it moves the swingy thing to the next location.
What do you guys think?

ArgentManny,
my theory is that when the island skipped first time into the past juliet wasn't yet on the island. so she travelled with sawyer and co in time. every skip after that doesn't matter even if she skipped into a time where she already has been to the island, BECAUSE of the first skip. with that first skip and the time travelling she dislaunched from time and now skips with every purple light.

I very much enjoyed both episodes, especially the scene where Hurley actually told his mom what happened while they were on the island. I've tried that before with people who watch the show, and it really is that weird sounding. Allow me for a moment to remind everyone not to make the mistake we all make about trying too hard to come to conclusions based on limited data, which is what we have after 2 episodes worth of 17. By the way, 4+8+16+42 equals 70 (hours).

I think that the old woman from the end of 'The Lie' is Fareday's mom and I also think that that weird swinging thing that had the chalk attached to it that was making lines on the map thing was determaining with each swing where the island was. I'm also pretty sure that Locke comes back to life when/if they come back to the island in the coffin. I think this because Richard said that Locke will tell him in the future that he was shot. Also, in a way, Christen sort of came back to life when he was brought to the island. Maybe the exact same thing will happen to Locke except he will interact with people instead of hiding away in a cabin.

i was thinking about an earlier episode with john and boone when they find the plane. I think i remember there was a part where all of a sudden leg start's to fail, but not the one with the shrapnel stuck in from when they tried to open the hatch. I think this was the leg that ethan shot in the future-past, and thats why in past-past his leg was messed up.

another theory of mine is that the other's that the losties never see, the whispering people in the jungle, are actually their future selves, but they can never see them becuz they can't exist in 2 places at once. They can probably hear them because the island is about to jump again, so i think everytime there was a whisper in the forest in past episodes, we will see the future losties show up there again.

also was one of the item's richard gave young locke to choose a compass? if it is maybe the next time they meet it will be this event again, and locke will pick right item this time.

It's possible that Farday doesn't know where Hawking is currently, maybe Oxford is where she was last (we know she was in London before). Maybe Desmond will find something in Faraday's office that will point him to her and Ben.

But how do you know that Juliet wasn't already on the island when they first skipped back in time? you're saying that since the others who were with locke were already on the island when they skipped back...that would not let them skip back? That wouldn't make sense...because when they skipped forward when the hatch was blown up...that would mean that the losties were also on the island twice.....as well as the point when desmond met faraday...juliet was also on the island twice...I don't get it! The possible connection to why the survivors, the freighter people and juliet are the only ones traveling in time could be because they themselves don't have a constant....or simply because Jacob wanted it that way....

And that encounter is not exactly definite...just because it didn't happen for desmond until we saw it happen doesn't mean it was not meant to happen...When faraday looked in his journal...he passed by the page that said "desmond is my constant"...so he must have looked at something else...

Also...as much as I want to believe Mrs. Hawking is Faraday's mother....how come Desmond is going to oxford? Isn't Mrs. Hawking in LA?

hey there AgentManny,

well that's not entirely proven, cause judging from the group we saw with locke and richard as ben moved the island i would definatley say that those weren't all of others! i don't think cindy & co were with them. maybe the same thing thats happening to our losties is happening to them to and we will see them soon meeting eachother OR cindy and the kids were in the TEMPLE and wouldn't it even be possible that the temple is some kind of immune or a resistent place to whats happening? ben stated that it is a place of safety.

after all i dont see no point/connection else, why the survivors, the freighter people and juliet would be the ones traveling in time... sorry.
oh and the encounter of daniel and desmond is DEFINATLEY a change of the past and was not meant to happen. i think there are enough clues in the premiere to cover that theory.

First of all....GREAT episodes! I will fight anyone who says that they were predictable.....at no point were they predictable! If you are saying that you knew Faraday would be in the Orchid with Chang....then you're full of it!...and if you do think you knew he'd be there....than do you think he is traveling in time? or was he just there when he was younger?

Second....Charlotte is getting no bleeds because she was the only one skipping through time at a place she was already born.....possibly....I am only discouraged because of the idea that Miles is Changs son

Third....I disagree with NEMO....What about the airline stewardess? she was on the plane....so were the kids taken...they didn't all die...they would have stayed where locke was....there is more to the reason why they all shifted and not the others....plus where is claire?

Fourth....Since the past cannot be changed....that would mean that whatever happens while the losties and friends are in the past was meant to happen...therefore has happened already. EX: Juliet brushing off the hatch window so that locke will find it later....Daniel showing up at the swan wearing no cover outfit to show to desmond that you don't really need one....Locke killing those guys....maybe he was meant to?

yea, i guess charlotte wasn't in any time skip yet on the island that the losties have been through OR because of the first skip in where she "turned on the wheel" like all the others, she now is somehow stuck in the continuum and has got serious problems like we see in the promo

SPOILER if anyone didn't see it yet

where charlotte is hardly bleeding and seems to be unconcious

also that makes sense with charlotte and why shes having problems since she was on the island before (as far as we know).

Nemo that is a f***** good theory thanks

because when the island skips back into the past, the others were already on the island. the losties and also juliet weren't.

Why do you guys think the others arent effected by the time skipping? Why just the 815 survivors, Juliet and the Freighties?

It coulnd't be Rousseaus Team, because rosseau stated that "robert" died because he got sick. as we know, you can't change the future, so it would be IMPOSSIBLE that locke killed him.

i also think they need to break down the skips and i think i also know how they began: as the island skipped the first time when ben turned the wheel, the oceanic six missed on the island and the island or time stream somehow recoginzed that something is wrong, because they escaped. that would be the reason all of them have to get back, so everything is normal again.

Miles could be chang/candle/halliwaxs son.

I don't think it was danielle's french team, those guys look real old school and arnt French; I like the idea they were the army men that were stationed there, the one that was in the mental hospital with hurley, but they say they were stationed on a boat and just heard the numbers, never they were on an island, but you never know. They could of sent put a zodiac ship. But then again, they reffered to the island as "our island". So that's throwing me off.

Daniel Farady!!!!!! Look at Dumbledore over here with his magical powers. I don't know his deal, or his mothers and there family lineage of time traveling Tudors; but I'm calling it now. In the end, when the island needs to be "put back on Track." Daniel Farady will be the one to do it, and that's why he ends up in the past, as shown. (very lost like to open up a season and showing the last scene).

I'm also enjoying all these off island helpers of the Ben. It makes you think about what the organization is behind the others, where do they generate the vast amount of money they claim they have? Who are these people? Well atleast these characters arnt messin around with little phillapino boys like Tom was.

I'm gonna assume that to make these skips stop, they have to return to the island. But I just hope that's not in the last episode and they hurry with getting them back. Cause I'm not a fan of these time skips.

Sorry I meant after WW 2

I agree with qwerty. Pretty predictable eps. I'm not really blown away by them. Like I said in the recap: Locke and Richard meet again and Richard will not recognize Locke? Their first meeting was when Locke was a child. 40 Years earlier?

Few things that might be nice to notice:
- The dharma initiative (orchid) was built before World War 2 :-)
- The time where Desmond appears must have been in the 3 years before 'present'. That also tells that the drugs plane crashed somewhere in the 3 years before the 815 crashed.

Please: do not switch to a time where they could accidentally meet theirselves????

501 and 502: they were the most predictable episodes ever. Anyone can guess the twists right? Former season opening episodes were like "OMFG!!!" This was like "hmmm OK"

I find Samantha's comment the most interesting. With the whole SPECIAL concept and time traveling, I think it's quite possible that for the people crashing on Oceanic Flight 815, it was their second time arriving to the island. Of course all skeptical with no hard evidence, but then again how much hard evidence does this show give us. Great premiere, lived up to all the hype. LOST..."Welcome Home"

did she ever say they were sent from france , they were a science expedition that could have comprised of many diff nations who knows with lost, i think it is the french chicks team

Good point i guess i just assumed they would be frnch something i should never do with this show: assume haha

Aah, but who said they had to be French? If you'll look at the scientific team from the freighter, they all come from different backgrounds, no? As mentioned above, there was a member of Rousseau's team that also lost his arm named Montand. Very peculiar...

I'm not so sure they were Rousseau's team, i mean they didnt have any hint of a french accent and their names were writtin in english. I think they may have been Widmores first Mercenary team he sent and that maybe this is how Dr. CHeng lost his arm they seemed soo willing to cut off Juliets why not his

The people that Juliet and Sawyer encountered in one of the islands jumps are Rousseau's expedition. If you noticed, their jackets had their names on them. Most distinctly, I noticed the one that said "Robert." Robert happened to be the love of Rousseau's life and part of her team. Voila!

Great work!! This premiere was easily a 10/10! I just rewatched "Flashes Before Your Eyes" the other day and am so glad that I did. Definitely glad to see this mysterious Ms.Hawking figure back again!

Great stuff, though I think my anticipation of the premiere being the best two hours of my life kinda killed it somewhat---but not too much:) hurley throwing the hot pocket was absolutely hilarious.

You guys have already pointed out, and I agree, that this feels almost like a different show now. There is A LOT going on; so many different story lines. The pace is different and all the characters seem distressed and out of place--especially Ben holy cow. He's never shown angst before except when he was faking it in the hatch. He always has a plan and at the end of episode 2 he sounded like he really needed the womans help and frankly looked a little worried.

The writers have said this season will be a season where instead of getting an answer and a question we're going to get two answers with every question. I hope they live up to their word. Its only the first two episodes thankfully and Lost seasons tend to really have their best episodes towards the middle and end (like last season with the constant and the shape of things to come) so I'm looking forward. More mythology episodes please! That would have been sweet if the whole premiere was a marvin candle episode!

"That's where Montand lost his arm."

Yes, finally we get to the French-chick's Story!!!

and YES i do believe Miles could possibly be Dr. Marvin Candle's son, very possible, right?

They said there would be blood connections.. ay?

WOW. Rejuvenation at it's finest.
As for that voting poll up there, my dears, anything but perfect, shouldn't be an option..

LETS start of with humor. amazing, so well done. i dont even laugh at television, or films
but lost, of course manages to make me.

the HOT POCKET SCENE, and shitzu. so so funny!


i absolutely loved how Ben was soo, sooo, honest, and sincere looking to Hurley. His eyes amazing as usual, and he even let out a SMILE. wow!

Hawkings, yes... I'm thinking Daniel's mother very much so. I believe she was calculating the island's flashes, and figuring out when it will, and when it has already flashed into different time periods. Her saying Ben has 70 hours is showing that that is the only time that they will be able to ever get back to the island.


Kate and Aaron are absolutely adorable together.

The new Sun, hmm, doesn't seem too trustworthy.

I just want them all to WANT to go back. I wish that they wouldn't have the delusion that living on the 'mainland' was better.

Any ideas who Jill is, and why Ben trusts her so well?!

I was hoping to learn more about the Linus/Widmore conflict, but in due time I think we'll figure it out. Miles said something about Widmore finding the island "the first time" which opens so many other doors.

who were the people in the army suits that locke killed? Rousseau's people perhaps?

also, does anybody else think Miles might be Marvin Candle's child?

who called the opener i did i new it was marvin candle because off his wife beside him and the baby crying same baby we heard crying in the comic con vid and we heard faradys voice in the comic con vid so i new we would see him ass well im kinda mad i new cause i wanted to be surprised great episode tho and that ben is trying to get back in power so badly u can see it in his eyes

Farraday in the Orchid 'nuff said.

Personally, I think that all the previews before the season ruined most of the first episode. I was practically screaming "GET ON WITH IT" to get to all the new action. *sigh*

Otherwise, it was a great premiere.